Originally Posted by Chewie
Wait, what? What about Scott Peterson? What about the woman who drowned her own children?
I mean, we were fascinated with those people, too, I'm just mentioning them as examples of crimes committed by relatives since JonBenet.
No, what I meant was that in that specific case, is that pretty much only her relatives had been implicated in her murder up until the confession of Karr.
Jesus, I feel like a geezer now.
She was suffering from postpartum depression! The woman was clinically ill when it occured, and she honestly believed that her kids would be better off dead than living with her.
You can't kill someone for being sick. It's not something you can control.
Postpartum depression is not treatable and sometimes not diagnoseable. So many women have it minorly (the lack of sleep and the over emotionalness) prior to pregnancy that we can't determine who has it and be able to protect the children and others from the mother.
Might I point out that both of these horrible crimes involve the death of the innocent? Yates involved numbers, and that's what was impressionable. Ramsey was the picture of innocence, and as has been mentioned, her killer hasn't been found.
That's what makes it remarkable, besides society's sick obsession with beauty and money.
If we burn her, she gets stuffed in the flames, crackle crackle crackle, which is a bit of a surprise if she's not quite dead. "I don't know what state you're from, but fornicating in the prep room is not protocol in California."
That's not incorrect, but, not many women with post-partum depression MUDRER their kids.
True, but not everyone with clinical depression commits suicide, yet it's considered a valid cause.
If we burn her, she gets stuffed in the flames, crackle crackle crackle, which is a bit of a surprise if she's not quite dead. "I don't know what state you're from, but fornicating in the prep room is not protocol in California."
Yeah, but you're a stereotype, Meho. Come on.
Not that that's untrue, but, how many mothers with post-partum depression MURDER THEIR KIDS?
EDIT: Oops.
Yes, and suicide is also the ending of someone's life. What are you getting at?
Just because postpartum depression rarely leads to murder doesn't mean that the murder is not the result of the sickness. We cannot assume that she is a horrible person who is regularly capable of murder just because her PPd led to an extreme.
Just as we don't assume that all suicidals are incredibly violent people who like to feel pain and want to cause themselves as much damage as possible.
It's just a sickness. Yes, it needs a more extreme form of treatment, possibly via living in an asylum for awhile, but you.
Just to go over it again: we can't say that Andrea Yates's PPD did not drive her to commit murder, while claiming that suicide is caused by depression of another type. Linking one violence to mental instability while denying the connection of another, and thus the inability to undergo treatment, makes no sense.
Murder and suicide are only different by that one is aimed towards the self, while another is towards others. Both = destructive violence. PPD and other depression both = mental instability, no matter what.
If we burn her, she gets stuffed in the flames, crackle crackle crackle, which is a bit of a surprise if she's not quite dead. "I don't know what state you're from, but fornicating in the prep room is not protocol in California."
Clarification: By sick i meant screwed up, not literally sick.
And i don't care what they diagnose you with, if you murder your own kids, there is no excuse. If you murder anyone, there is no excuse. You know what you're doing, and although it may be influenced by something, that doesn't make it right.
And chewie that made no sense to me....sorry.
Arguing with a Democrat, is only slightly easier than tunneling through a mountain with your forehead.
I knkow what you meant. I still stick to what I said: PPD is a mental disorder, which caused the murder of her children. She thought that it was the right thing to do. She thought she was helping them. Because of something that she had no control over.
A murderer has motives that are purely selfish. Maybe he's getting paid, maybe he's getting revenge, maybe he's just exerting power over others in the only way he can. Andrea Yates was trying to help the children, not herself. She believed that she was not good enough for them, so the only way to save them from her was to send them on their way.
She knew that they would die, yes, but she didn't understand that that wasn't the right way to make their lives better, because her perception of the world was clouded. By her depression.
Her choice wasn't influenced by anything. Her desire to kill her children was born of her PPD, and it was made into a reality by her own mind.
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Anyways. This is way off topic.
JonBenet, anyone?
If we burn her, she gets stuffed in the flames, crackle crackle crackle, which is a bit of a surprise if she's not quite dead. "I don't know what state you're from, but fornicating in the prep room is not protocol in California."
Just a little clarification, Post Partum Depression is common- its a hormonal imbalance that can occur after a woman gives birth and cause symptoms of depression. Usually it increases with each birth. Andrea Yates presumably had PPD of increasing severity after the birth each of her children, and by the birth of the fifth it had elevated to Post Partum Psychosis, which is much more rare than PPD, and is known to cause hallucinations and delusions. That was what caused her to believe that she had no choice other than to kill her children.
Wow, is it really that obvious I'm ready to get back to school? Yay for psych majors...
Yes, let's get back to the topic at hand. :P There was an article today that talked about the ransom note left behind that was found hours before Ramsey's body was found in the basement. There has been quite a bit of speculation on this note over the past decade, including several handwriting experts attributing it to Patsy Ramsey. However, with Karr, there's been more doubt on whether it could have been written by him. Most likely this is a hoax and America's been taken for a ride. Which is pretty much the sentiment of most now.
Not a psych major, but I am absolutely ready for my classes to start Monday.
Jesus, I feel like a geezer now.
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