View Full Version : MLK @ LOGAN!!!!
12-16-2003, 06:58 PM
January 18th weekend.
Big tournament! (Like, SCU size, maybe bigger? I'm not sure.)
WHO'S GOING? I'm definitely going w/DUO and HI. See some logan people, lose to some logan people, get our asses kicked by logan people. haha, i just hope we can break to quarters...
12-17-2003, 12:08 AM
i dont like this defeatist attitude. you walk right up to logan and punch him in the nards.
and logans waaaaay bigger than scu (and almost as LAME. brrrrr.)
12-17-2003, 12:11 AM
yah. I'm going in OO and doing some parli debate on the side. I'll probably get pwned by Logan's legions of creepy carbon-copy camp speakers, all of which have the same **** road-map structure devices and the same speaking style. (Where'd Mr. Lindsey send them, anyway?)
Well, almost all of them. Ben Unanaowo is the notable exception. That 2003 state runner-up REALLY pwns.
12-17-2003, 05:39 PM
iM goin in HI and DUO and now that u just told me about parly....iLL try to convince my partner...but i dont think she wants to go...anyways...PSH...i dont know what u guys are talking about...IM GUNNA KICK *** :P
....if i ever get my voice back :(
12-17-2003, 09:58 PM
i'm pretty sure they have their own camp. that would make the most sense wouldnt it?
12-17-2003, 11:45 PM
Does anyone know how well this tournament is run? Are the judges good? Compare it to SCU or whatever. (Do judges know wtf theyre doing? THEY BETTER...frekain dumbass judges piss the crap out of me.)
12-18-2003, 12:18 PM
Yah. I heard Logan might have their own camp and whatnot. Supposedly it's a couple weeks of hardcore speech-writing and delivery drills. ****. I wish Oprah would sponsor us, too.
Judges at Logan tend to be a little more experienced than SCU judges and probably, on average, more proficient in english. And there's never any shortage of judges, unlike last week at SCU. The competition in debate isn't that great, but the prestige of the IE section and of the school itself is enough to earn Logan a final-round LD bid. Yeah.
Bottom-line, IE competitors face a tough field of people from Hawaii to New Mexico and everywhere in between.
Master of Noogies
12-26-2003, 01:21 AM
MLK is a tournament where a lot of funny stuff happen. I competed in this tournament for two years and som judges are hard to please. I've talked to friends who were state champs and national finalist and they all have some stories to tell. Good people will get "DID' as logan competitors would say This would. Basicly, the judges are some that you will see at state. If you do well here, then expect something similiar at state.
Note: People who have taken 1,2, or 3 usually do the best. But this is not always the case.
12-26-2003, 03:53 AM
debates not all that great...
last year it was my first time debating varsity, however it was with one of the top 30 in the nation cuz he was my DUO partner, but we got to quarters and should have broke to semis in CX with our case "Nuke The Moon"
Competition is pretty legit tho...last year my team had a first in OPP as well as the speaker of the tourniment 8) (my DUO/Debate (at that tourni) partner...
01-10-2004, 06:40 PM
So, its next week...whats up?
01-10-2004, 07:44 PM
haha me and my partner are so unprepared cuz we have finals this coming week so we're too lazy to practice interp.
01-11-2004, 10:12 PM
shut up your amazing. Me and my partner havent practiced since SCU and he got a job with CBS and a piolet with disney so he's filming all week so we cant practice untill saturday (of the tourniment) morning
01-12-2004, 10:56 PM
hmm competition is hard i heard, i didnt go last year. how is it there?
01-12-2004, 10:57 PM
as in compeitotrs
01-13-2004, 09:17 PM
i donno...i hear the tab room is kind of shady. HOWEVER OUR CAPTAINS ARE RETARDED AND THIS IS YET THE SECOND TOURNIMENT CANCELLED THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY ARENT ON THE BALL!!!! god, i hate life. However, iM goin to stanford...first time...oh, and of coarse the big Berkley
01-18-2004, 10:05 PM
hey, i went to the tournament this past weekend and decided maybe the tab room IS a little shady, i wouldn't know tho. so anyways, me and my partner didn't break DUO at all, but other (really crappy duos) did, not to sound bitter or anything (even though i am) logan still took home the tournament, placing top 4 or something in DUO (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, all logan.) 1st place was lotoya johnson and her girl partner who won DI. i think they won CA states last year..
For DI, pierre clark got 2nd place. i didnt see his peice, i was in HI finals
1st - "Live and in Color" Latoyia Johnson (LOGAN) , she kicks ***, girl from logan that was in nat finals 2 years ago with clark, i think she won CAL states last year in duo also.
2nd - "The Onion" Robert Bergin (Bellarmine) he's hella funny. beat me before, beat me again. he placed 1st at our league tourney, but got beat out by logan this time (although I was kinda expecting him to get 1st..)
3rd - "A midsummer's night dream", yea the real play by shakespeare (LOGAN)
4th - me: "I hate mathematics" (chris lin), yeah, same ol me.
5th or 7th place - "swamp life" or "7 chinese brothers", i forgot which place they got
6th place - "HAMLET 2" (LODI) this guy is cool and his peice is really funny. accents, voicing, cutting, everything was funny.
the judging here was reALLY critical, i got really harsh comments about my peice. my peice is mostly an audience pleaser, it may seem a little shallow to judges tho.
oh, me and my partner were one point away from breaking in DUO btw.
i saw james tsuei there too, he didn't break to finals and he didn't look to happy about it. wutsup with that??? he wins everything man.
01-19-2004, 12:46 AM
I agree with Jesus when he says the tab room is a bit shady.
The Logan tab room had to fix things a little bit this year in LD to retain TOC-bid status, so they put Mckay and Brugato on opposite ends of the bracket. Although a little suspicious, this really is of no consequence since it can be readily agreed upon by all the LDers at Logan that the M-A kids are the state's best.
On the other hand, there was a little furor over Parliamentary and Controversy breaks, since Lynbrook teams kept getting paired with Lynbrook teams and a lot of our people either got coached under or stepped aside themselves (including myself in quarterfinals).
Regarding debate tabbing as a whole, seeding is not disclosed on the cumulative sheets. Thus we have little in the way of figuring out the justification of Lynbrook teams being paired with Lynbrook teams.
As a last point, Logan LDers competing in their own bid-tournament was a little more than shady. It was reprehensible.
Parliamentary: WWWWLWU, record of 5-1, plus forfeiting quarterfinals to "take one for the team".
Oratory overall round ranks: 1,1,1,2,2,5
Chris, yah, I wasn't too happy about the results. The judging was pretty different than what our Coast Forensics League orators are used to. To put it simply, the CFL got nuked by the GGSA and the Los Angeles orators. While South Bay orators are rare in Logan oratory final rounds, this year was particularly disappointing - since both Tin-Yun and I placed last year. The rationale for the CFL's inability to compete is rooted in the fact that the local judges at Logan tend to look for things different than the things our own judges. The CFL and the GGSA's oratory styles are different to such a high degree that it totally wasted us this weekend. The fact that Mr Lindsey has Oprah Winfrey's money to send his students to summer-long speech camp isn't too bad of a thing.
I was satisfied with the judging. Although I had Logan-affiliated judges in nearly all of my speech rounds, I still did well leading up to semifinals. With overall round ranks of 1,1,1,2,2 leading up to semifinals, I wasn't very prepared for a 5-4-4 decision by my judges. On the otherhand, it showed that there were some serious style changes that I needed to adapt to compete with Logan-affiliated and like-minded judges. In this respect, I feel that I'll be able to compete the preparation needed to compete at States.
LEVEL OF COMPETITION
Although I'm most familiar with the oratory sections, I'm aware that the competition was intense in most of the other events as well. Oratory had numerous 2003 state finalists in the running, and a good number of semifinalists from the same year. I hit people like them in all of my rounds - and I had last year's state runner-up in a couple, as well. Was MLK a hard IE tournment this weekend? Yep - without a doubt.
It was an educational tournament. Props to all my fellow CFL folks who dominated impromptu and placed in various other events, and to Monta Vista's famed interper Chris Lin.
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