The New Resolution

[orphanarium]

What do you guys think of: The United States has a moral obligation to mitigate international conflicts. ****.. just when I was getting use to the privileged communication one...

[superboink]

ACCORDING TO THE COMMENTS I READ ON THE LAST SITE.... DEY LIKE DIS RESOLUTION BETTER DAN TRUTH SEEKING ONE

[Marxist]

**** yes this resolution is better then truth seeking. It is far more relevant then privilidged communitcation.

[Ryan]

UN conflicts and Social Contract... what else has been debated? I like the last rez better, offered more possibilities.

[orphanarium]

Marxist? Maybe we should debate capitalism vs. communism. easy win for capitalism.

[Marxist]

The other one had more obscure possibilites but this one has more individual senarios. Also this one has better impacts. And it would be no "easy win" for capitalism, it has a lot to atone for.

[orphanarium]

The other one had more obscure possibilites but this one has more individual senarios. Also this one has better impacts. And it would be no "easy win" for capitalism, it has a lot to atone for.

P.C. vs. Truth seeking had a lot of possibilities to argue and it had a great range. I thought it was cool that you could choose to accept the entire burden of P.C. or simply take an aspect. I won 4 out of 6 rounds using lawyer/client and arguing life for aff and quality of life for neg.. yup yup.. pretty cool. The impacts for p.c. are simple. false convictions is a good one (u can use this for both cases) Capitalism may suck, but its the best gov. we hav today. Look at those communist countries. Most either have already collapsed or r struggling to survive.

'It's better for 100 guilty criminals to go free than for one innocent man
to be convicted' does anyone know who said this quote?

[Marxist]

Well, I believe that you can choose small portions of any topic as long as you give good analysis as to why don't have to prove everything true. The thing about impacts is quantifiablility. Yeah, sure putting people in jail who aren't guilty is a bad thing and letting people go who are guilty is also bad but how many people is this going to happen too. Despite how terrible it is dead people are much easier to weigh and give analysis on. As for capitalism being a government, it isn't, it's an economic system, and it sucks. Furthermore there have been no communist countries to date, and absolutly none that have been marxist.

[orphanarium]

Well, I believe that you can choose small portions of any topic as long as you give good analysis as to why don't have to prove everything true. The thing about impacts is quantifiablility. Yeah, sure putting people in jail who aren't guilty is a bad thing and letting people go who are guilty is also bad but how many people is this going to happen too. Despite how terrible it is dead people are much easier to weigh and give analysis on. As for capitalism being a government, it isn't, it's an economic system, and it sucks. Furthermore there have been no communist countries to date, and absolutly none that have been marxist.

You could argue people will falsely convicted of the death penalty or that if murderers are allowed to live freely more innocent people will die. It's simple. You are right. Capitalism is not a gov. Sorry. China, Vietnam, Soviet Union were/are communist countries. and if i am not mistaken, communism was created by Karl Marx. The reason why communism doesn't work is because communism believes everyone should be paid equally. Why should someone work hard if they will get paid either pay? :evil:

[Marxist]

I agree you could argue that effectivly, all i'm saying is that you can't give me any specifics like a dozen more people will be convicted each year or whatever. On the other hand you can find tonnes of cards that give very specific impacts with numbers to things like nuclear/conventional war, genocide, starvation etc. As for communism, it is also an economic system, not a government. further more none of the countries you mentioned were ever close to communism. The closest one was Cuba. As for equal pay its not entirely that. That was a partial manifestation of communism in a capitalist system. In true communism, there is no money, everything is transfered in goods valued through work-hours put into the product or service.

[orphanarium]

I want to use an example that would counter your points, but that one point is the reason why I usually win in P.C. Vs. T.S.

Communist Cuba is far from what Communism is "ideally." Ideally communism sounds great, but it would never work. That one aspect of communism that pays everyone equal, despite the how hard they work makes communism not possible. Also, if everything is transfered in goods valued through work-hours put into the product or service some people would not get paid the same, which destroys the whole idea of communism because then everyone would not be considered equal and there would still be poverty in the world.

[Marxist]

I agree, Cuba was far from the ideal communism but it was still the closest. Why does it not make communism possible first of all in general but also on that one point alone? Work-hours does mean you get paid the same for the same amount of work. Take for example an exchange in the bay area of San Fransisco where they valued each hour of work at 16 dollars. You then say work for two hours baking a loaf of bread (**** expensive bread). That loaf then is worth 32 dollars. So somebody gives you two work-hours worth of credits for the bread. You then take that next door and buy two shirts that took that individual one work-hour each to make. So the amount of work put in is what creates the equality.

[orphanarium]

Communism = bad
Efficiency and quality of service is not promoted in communism because if you spend 2 hours baking bread, and get "2 hour credits" then why would you want to make bread faster? and if you will automatically get those 2 hours of credit, then why would you want to make that loaf of bread taste good?

Capitalism = good

[RentZachRent]

I DISLIKED THE TRUTH SEEKING ONE!!!

I really didnt care for Letter of the Law either...or the free expression of adults vs. protecting children

MY fave ever was lesser developed nations right to develop vs. oligations to the environment!!! THIS TOPIC ROCKED MY SOCKS!

MY 2nd fave was Nat Security vs. indi rights!! That made some fun debates!


Zach :D