State Sweepstakes?

[Lions#1]

Should there be a team champion or should I say should the top three teams be recognized by CHSAA at the state speech and debate tournament?

Is it ok that Cherry Creek, Rocky, East..etc might be in the top three a lot? Would it help with team building and gettting recognized by your school adminitstration and community?

would like to hear what the speech community thinks....

[Meho]

i think we should have it, almost every other sport does.

Although, perhaps i'm biased because my school would have won last year :p

[Topo]

i really don't see any reason not to. like is there a downside to having one besides making poopy schools feel bad? haha, jk.

but yeah, i think there should really be one, to recognize the most successful team in the state at the state tournament

[Bugbee09]

totally. And I agree with what was said earlier, it could really help a lot of teams get noticed and it could make a bigger deal of forensics. I mean think about having a sports team make playoffs and place in the top 3, every body freaks out about that kinda stuff.

But would the sweepstakes be given to the team with just the actualy most points? or to the team with the most points avereged by student?

[Xono]

totally. And I agree with what was said earlier, it could really help a lot of teams get noticed and it could make a bigger deal of forensics. I mean think about having a sports team make playoffs and place in the top 3, every body freaks out about that kinda stuff.

But would the sweepstakes be given to the team with just the actualy most points? or to the team with the most points avereged by student?

It may be a difficult strategy to implement. Do you limit it to say ten students, as congresses often do? How do you handle the point differences between interp and debate, extemp and OO? What about the fact that there are five rounds in extemp and seven in debates? It'd be difficult to pinpoint. I might imagine they'd recognize the teams with the most people in the top.. 12 in their event? But that also screws the debaters over. The logistics are pretty difficult.

[Little Fresh]

you could do the Sweeps award like any other tournament does, which generally has to do with the combined scores of the *insert number here* most successful students from each school, or with total breakround points. Although these methods have flaw (like they favor large schools), the addition of smaller details to these systems can make a more accurate and fair system...it just means that tab has to work harder (good luch w/ that!). Another posiblity would be the addition of the "batting average award", which allows smaller schools (as well as elite large schools) a chance in the competition. The only flaw w/ this is that if a school sends 1 student, and that person wins state, that school wins this award. Anyway you look at it, there will be flaws, but still, i think that the addition of a sweeps award would be awesome, and would allow schools a chance to get team wide recongition for the state tournament.

Now we just have to make it happen...by friday...whoo!

[Lions#1]

just for the record, here is how it would have gone last year, if you apply the point allocation like follows:

CX, Ld, PF
Qtrs: 1 pt.
Semi 4pts
2nd place 6 pts
1st place 8 pts.

Events
Semi's 1pt.
6th -- 2 pts
5th -- 3pts
4th -- 4 pts
3rd -- 5 pts
2nd -- 6 pts
1st -- 7 pts


It would have gone:

3rd East
2nd Kent
1st Creek

But it would have been very, very close between all three teams.

Rocky would have finished 4th.

[Meho]

i may not be seeing it, but why does that system favor events so much?

...debates are harder to break to quarters than it is to break to semis in events, and you'll have gone through a break round already


...maybe i'm just missing it.

[Little Fresh]

i may not be seeing it, but why does that system favor events so much?

...debates is harder to break to quarters than it is to break to semis in events, and you'll have gone through a break round already

...maybe i'm just missing it.

yeah...agreed (and i'm an eventer). You system has major flaws (like the 1st break for debates is into octos) which really put events over debate, which is why Kent, East, and Creek (major interp schools) take top 3. If the system is more balanced, schools with balanced programs (like rocky) gain ground...and according to Trent (who actually knows the real system), rocky would have won state.