Kentucky Pre-Season Rankings

[foyboy75]

Ok...so which teams do you guys think will be strongest this year?? Here are my choices.

1) Knott County Central---they have plenty of people returning this year to remain just as competitive as they were last year. Also, since they won KHSSL last year, that will give them the extra UMPH to dominate again.

2) Danville-- Danville could easily be the number one team in the state. Lofton, Jenkins, little Scisco, Dawn Shultz will all make for an extemly difficult team to beat.

3 & 4-----Boone and Graves---This one is pretty hard to call ( plus I have a little bit of bias being from Graves and all :D) Boone has a new coach, so it will be interesting to see how they adjust to that. They also lost Hoffmeister and Drance who brought in a lot of sweeps. Graves has a lot of talent that returned from previous years that did not compete last year. This will obviously work to their advantage in staying competitive with other teams in the state.

5) Bethlehem

[KY_Extemper]

Here's my picks:

1st---Knott County Central

2nd--Rowan County

3rd--Danville

4th--Graves County

5th--Boone County

[sweetkimmi1]

As usual I put in my two cents...Logan I think you will be surprised by Danville. Yes normally when a team wins that big at state, they win it two years in a row...but dude, dville lost a lot, but they still have sooo much power.

Yes richie you are correct, boonies have a new coach. He is awesome, i love him to death, but this is his first year dealing with the competitive forensics world. I think team wise boone will be the closest they have ever been...since mrs. kohl's days, but competitive wise...i pray that I left the team in good hands, well i know i did, but i hope they listen to her. Their new cap't, melissa cavner better kick their butts in gear. No kids, don't get your hopes up she is just a junior.

And then there is b-hem...which have lost several good seniors (my buds!), but i can't wait to see how the new seniors do! This team always amazes me, their school is yay big...and believe me i saw it with my own eyes from prom...really YAY big! And how they get that many people on the team...i dunno! Lasure is da'man!

But you know who i think will win it all! Pike County Central! GO JORDAN ATKINSON!! jk! I love ya though boy!

Good luck everyone!

[foyboy75]

I forgot about Rowan...i'm just assuming that they're not going to KHSSL this year. The only time we ever compete against them is at KESDA and we're not even going to that this year.


--Richie

[ria]

yeah, kim, you're right, we're tiny. but we're tough!
i think everyone's pretty much in agreement about the top teams. we have thirty people this year, and exactly half of them are newbies, but they're good, and they've got lots of good help, too. but you're right, we lost some seriously good speechies. but we always do, and we always make up the difference.
boone does have a new coach, which i think will hurt them a little, but melissa is very capable of keeping them in line, and i think they'll recover just fine. if this new guy is a good as you say, kim, which i'm sure he is, then boone will be fine.
graves lost maggie waid. that's gonna be tough. but you guys are big enough, with enough good blood left over to handle yourselves. i look forward to having good competition from you guys. and you know, richie, i thought you graduated, too.
we never see rowan, b/c bethlehem doesn't do kesda, so i don't know. they do seem pretty strong, the two times we've competed against them.
personally, i don't think knott central will be as strong as last year. i could be wrong, and that's not b/c i don't like them. i have friends at knott. but somehow, i've just got a hunch that the competition will be tougher for them this year.
but i'm sure everybody will do fine. and the way i see it, it doesn't matter how good you are as long as you're having fun. go speechies!

[WootWoot2007]

hey, ya'll watch better out! Central Hardin! We made the Horizon list, and we went from 11 members to about 25, so, wes moving on up! *ps* im co-captain, rock on!

[ria]

wow, co-captian as a sophomore? that's awesome, jimmy!

[trophy_husband]

i agree, central is gonna be powerful. if i have anythign to do with it, at least two of us are going to nat's this year. rachel and i are going to get a vacation to milwaukee (not to sound cocky, but wait... its me).

i can't wait till larue swing. see ya'll there.

[ria]

hmm....vacation in milwaukee sounds good....i shall have to discuss this with ben....hehehehe.
yeah, larue/calloway will be fantastical. the first tournament always is, and as the first tournament is always larue, larue is always fantastical. works out quite nicely for them, wouldn't you say?

[veronica]

I really want to go to the first offical tournament... darn you watkins and darn this play.

[Lauren]

Hey guys, watch out for Lafayette! We have a huge team this year (if everyone stays on). We should be kicking some major butt!! We'll definately see everyone at the first tournament!! Im counting down!! :lol:

[ria]

bring it on! we can take it!
yeah, that's really uncool, veronica. but hey, at least your school has a play. we're trying again this year, but i'll believe it when i see it. and look at it this way: your first one will be fantastical for your team, but not so much for everyone else, b/c they've already been to one. so maybe that means you'll do better. gotta think posative. :D

[veronica]

Thanks Maria for the postivivty! :D
Our coach (who is also our drama sponsor and in charge of all our plays) says we can only miss one practice and then we get kicked off if we miss more than one, which is scary :( Our team has about 30ish memeber this season I hope all will stay on the team and become passionate forensicators! (crosses fingers) We have alot of new members(my lil sis), but we lost some good people last year like Chad*, Jonathon P. . DC isn't a graves, booneville or BHS but we still ROCK! We have won our Regional title for 2 years in a row, which is good for a lil team like ours; eventho our region sucks.... I am in charge of setting goals for our team, and i am setting them pretty high this year.

Can't wait to see you guys on November6!! Be prepared.

[ria]

i'm ever-so-excited! you can bring it on!
ok, i've got to brag about my team here...we have a tiny team, but we've won the regional title for 12 years in a row now, and i plan to make it the 13th!!! woohoo!! ok, sorry veronica. didn't want to burst your happiness bubble. hey, i like that your coach enforces that rule. lasure probably wouldn't kick anybody off the team if you paid him. he's been threatening since i was a freshman, probably since he's been doing speech, but i think he only did it once, and that was a girl who didn't want to be on the team to begin with.

[WootWoot2007]

I am becoming more confident with central hardins team, with every practice. We had our yard sale the other day, and i feel that it created more of a sense of unity among our teamates... We are all working really hard with our pieces and may propose a challenge to Bethlehem's winning streak :wink:

~Jimmy and Angel Veza

[ria]

bring it on, jimmy. bring it on.
actually, if we're going to lose, i hope it's to a worthy team. that may sound like a dumb thing to say, but stuff happens. mistakes and miscalculations are made. so if we're going to lose, i hope it's fair. and not to brag, but if it is fair, it will have to be a good team, so it'll be okay. i don't know if i'm making sense here, but my point is if the winning team is worthy competition, then there is no shame in losing.

[aaron]

What are your predictions for individual events?

There were many strong competitors from interpretation events who graduated last year: Kim Hoffmeister, Maggie Waid, Havanna Hagans, Joe Owens, Christina Mcclenehan, et al. Therefore, I think that most of the events will be fairly unpredictable. I do wager that both Ashley Litsey and Mauricus Lofton will compete well in the scripted interp events because they both made it to semifinals at CFL nationals last year. Ben Oschner, from Rowan, will more than likely be a strong competitor in Dramatic Interp as well because he made it to quarterfinals at NFL. Melissa Cavner, from Boone, will take HI by storm after seeing her hilarious performance of "Bring it On" last year. Also, Dawn Schulz, from Danville HS, will undoubtedly have success with both her DI and Solo because they are both new, unique pieces that I have never seen used in Kentucky before. Last, but not least, I think that Mason Scisco will have success with any of the events he competes in this year after placing in both DI and HI last year at KHSSL state as a sophmore. I won't venture to make wagers for the speaking and limited prep events 'cause I don't know that much about them. Any other predictions?

[ria]

i have to brag on rebekah allen, from my very own Bethlehem high school, b/c she will completely take extemp and impromtu. although, from what she's told me, it's generally the same group of ppl in impromptu finals, and they all seem to do very well, so i don't know. i also say she will succeed in oratory for various reasons.
i only recognize two of those names. i was unfortunate enough to have melissa cavner in my DP semi round at CFL state, and she was, as always, fantastic. and i agree that mason sisco will do wonderfully. other than that, i'll have to take your word that the others will be good. kim and maggie are my friends, and as much as i love them, i have to say i am thrilled not to be competing against them this year. it gives me a glimmer of a chance in solo. :wink: i competed against havanna several times, and she was always amazing. so yeah, with them gone, it leaves open some spots for new faces to make a place for themselves. overall, i look forward to a beyond-awesome final year of high school speech.

[WootWoot2007]

rock ria, i hope you have an awesome senior year...

i have to brag on rebekah allen, from my very own Bethlehem high school, b/c she will completely take extemp and impromtu. although, from what she's told me, it's generally the same group of ppl in impromptu finals, .

chad reese, david stroup, brice akree, courtney otto.

expect big tyming from that crew! 8)

[KY_Extemper]

If Chad Reese USES sources in extemp for this year he'll win big (and someone PLEASE tell him to because he's a great speaker)...if he doesn't he'll unfortunately be $300 poorer if you know what I mean :wink:

[ria]

thanks, jimmy. good to have support from friends!

i can also think of a couple of up-and-coming storytellers that i think will be drawing some attention....but i'm not mentioning names just yet. :wink:

[Man with No Nation]

Time for a Boonie to speak up (I know Joe and Kimmi did, but I want to). Ok, I agree we have a new coach, but our last 2 are still training us. Plus, our group is still pretty new and we're getting better with each competition (fear us!). Anyway my list is as follows:

1. Knott
2. Rowan
3. Danville
4. Boone
5. Bethlehem

I know that list could shuffle every which way. You know, I'm very surprised with the way Bethlehem has been doing recently and I want to give them props! Also, I would agree that Reese needs to find sources. I felt so bad for him when I saw he had like 10 sources, all magazines, lying on his desk, ready to use...Then I remembered how well he does and I was uber-impressed. :shock:

[foyboy75]

um...did you forget somebody?? like Graves?

[Man with No Nation]

um...did you forget somebody?? like Graves?

Sorry, I did forget Graves >.<. However, my list will remain the same because I've Bethlehem competing strong as of late... Again, I don't know what will happen, but some teams will make you turn your heads. I would put them at a very close, eyelash finish of 6th place this year... Although I'm sure they could win it >,>.

[KY_Liberal]

Wow...while I might be biased being from Graves I still really believe that we are a top 5 team and have been for the past few years, but to try to convince you I will give you a rundown of our record:
Won KHSSL State in 2002
Won KHSSL State in 2003
4th at KHSSL State in 2003
This year we have placed atleast second in all of the tournaments we have been to, placing only behind Knott twice and Danville once which we beat in the second part of the swing. Graves has won 2 tournaments (Warren East and TOC) and placed 2 in three (WKU, Calloway, LaRue). We used to be the only team in the state with a full slate qualified until the state qualifications for the TOC tournament are being debated. Now, I'm not saying that we should be number one because I agree with your 1st and 2nd rankings but I do think we should be ahead of Bethlehem and possibly Boone since we have placed ahead of them twice and we are giving Danville a run for their money after went 2,1 then 1,2 at the WKU/WE swing. But hey I may be biased but I think our record tells the story.

-Quentin Johnson

You're absolutely correct...But I'm too lazy to fix my list. Give me a while to see how the season pans out...Since my friend Joe told me Rowan doesn't go to KHSSL, I'll replace Graves with Rowan... I know you guys are good... But again, I'm too lazy to fix my post and therefore did this. If nothing else move everyone back and put Graves 2nd, otherwise replace them with Rowan. :wink:

[Man with No Nation]

The above message was not Joe, 'twas me... I'm on his computer atm, and it logged him in and posted the message under his name.

[ria]

i think it's too hard to try guessing who's going to do what, b/c any team could end up being fantastically amazing. you just never know.

[Man with No Nation]

i think it's too hard to try guessing who's going to do what, b/c any team could end up being fantastically amazing. you just never know.

I absolutely agree. It's so tight that anyone of the top 6 could shuffle every which way, but atm...IDK, stick with that list. Seeing as how Harrisson will be the last competition b4 Boone goes on that month+ long break, I will post my new predictions a few days after that and I find out how other schools have done at the other tourney.

[ria]

boone is coming to harrison?!? yay, i won't be totally alone! nearly all of my friends are either going to graves, or not going anywhere. but boone will be there! yay!
yeah, i heard about that month-long respite. not cool. don't you guys usually come to the Hilltopper? it seems odd to me that any coach would want their team to spend that much time out of action.
of course, the hilltopper is the last one before christmas anyway....but still....

[Man with No Nation]

We normally do...But last year we fell in debt, and this year are paying for it. In fact, we shouldn't even be going to Lafayette, but we're trying to get the Congress team to go so we can actually get it in before the FL's and State...

[ria]

ah...i see, i see...not cool. i'm sorry. that really stinks for you guys. well, good luck getting your funds back up. i hope it's better for you all next year.

but i'll still totally see you at harrison! yay! what events are you doing? i'm down for story, duo interp and solo.

[Man with No Nation]

My coach forgot to put me on slate, but I talked to him and he put me on for Extemp and Broadcasting. Then I told him I'm actually decent in Impromptu and would rather do that, so I think I'm going to do Broadcasting and Impromptu which would rock my sox. Anyway, hope to see you there :)

[ria]

it would be great to see you there, but i'm sure i won't recognize you. actually.......hmm. i don't even know your name. anyhoo, i'll be in story, duo and solo. yippee!!! storytelling! wootwoot!

i love story..... :D :D :D

[BansheeSoccer13]

Alright, so I'm coming in better late than never! I'm not sure about the top five, but I must say I think Bethlehem might be on up there this year. We took 2nd at Danville with only 8 members, three of which were novices! I don't know how it will play out against others school as the season goes on. All I know is over half our team, this is their first year. Whatever happens, I'm really proud of us. I guess we'll just have to see when state rolls around, right guys?

[ria]

yeah, we'll definetaly be up there, and we have been doing extraordinarily well this year. i honestly think *knock on wood* that we will do better than usual at state this year.



*knock again, just in case*

[aaron]

Regretfully I had to miss Harrison county today to take the SAT (sigh), but from what I've heard it was a good tournament-- congratulations to Mauricus for winning Storytelling for his very first time competing in the event! :D Pretty amazing...congrats to everyone else who finaled and I hope everyone had as good of time as I heard my team did.

[Man with No Nation]

Hm...I didn't think it was the best tourney I've been to. I don't know, I think it's emotional Ali talking here, but I got mad at the way they ran it. The fact that they couldn't put us in on time, and that I couldn't do my best event, and what happened in one of my broadcasting rounds...Man...I'm sorry for ranting...

[ria]

hey, everyone's gotta rant once in awhile. goodness only knows i'm ranting just about every day of the week.
yeah, it could definetaly have been run better, and i must say that most of their "talent show" was not really all that amusing to me, but i was impressed that they managed to finish early. that was uber-cool.

[BansheeSoccer13]

I agree with the talent show thing. But..haha..it was pretty cool when Robert put the mic in this mouth. LOL sorry, it was just uber funny!

[ria]

i didn't think that was so funny as the girl's reaction when he tried to hand it back to her.

[BansheeSoccer13]

or her next statement: "Okay, does anyone have a talent that doesn't involve this 300 dollar micraphone?"

[ria]

hehehe...yeah...fun times.
i might have been slightly more amused if i hadn't been feeling so down at that point......but not much. they really needed some real talent. something that didn't involve off-key chunks of Bohemian Rhapsody and a frightening rabbit doing the worm onstage.

[bladeeblah]

hehehe...yeah...fun times.
i might have been slightly more amused if i hadn't been feeling so down at that point......but not much. they really needed some real talent. something that didn't involve off-key chunks of Bohemian Rhapsody and a frightening rabbit doing the worm onstage.

LOL, I take full offence to that off-key...Ok, no I don't. Well, at least we went up there and did something. (Me=Man With No Nation)

[KY_Liberal]

I personally enjoyed those crazy people who got up there and poured their hearts and souls into us for a few minutes... That took guts.

[Man with No Nation]

I personally enjoyed those crazy people who got up there and poured their hearts and souls into us for a few minutes... That took guts.

Lots and lots of guts, but very little vocals... Hold on, I think I just dissed myself...

[Man with No Nation]

By the way, here is my new, updated rankings:

1. Knott
2. Danville
3. Boone
4. Graves
5. Rowan

[PoppinPrincess]

hey guys!

i know ya'll have been desperately awaiting my opinion..and i think it's only fair to say that knott and d-ville are crazy good. rowan never really goes to khssl and i don't think they are plannin on it, but it would be CHAOS if they did. i am in agreement that knott may not be as strong last year...but i don't know, we have only run into em once.
now about the boone/graves dilemma...sry reechee (lol) but i'm a bit biased bein from boone and all...things are really coming together. at the end of christmas break ky just might see a new side of boone, but who knows? and i think bethlehem deserves consideration..they have beat boone and graves this year. gosh, their talent density is mongonormous! but yeah, keep in touch ky!

!Melissa!

[Man with No Nation]

I can think Rowan is going to KHSSL and that a yard is a driveway, ok? Anyway, I don't know, but if they've won and we haven't competed against them yet, I'm ranking them first, and Danville has consistently beat us. Bethlehem is a close 6, and I'm pretty sure we're just ranking all of KY, if it is KHSSL I would put Beth there at 5th, but yeah...You know. Graves has a dilemma? Well, anyway...I should probably go to sleep... See you guys in...January, unless you're a Boonie, then I'll see you...Tomorrow...

[oOBroadcasterOo]

Better watch out, Murray is SO coming back this year...we got third at Graves and tenth at Danville.... :wink:

[KY Acid Trip]

By the way, here is my new, updated rankings:

1. Knott
2. Danville
3. Boone
4. Graves
5. Rowan

I dont know, who knows, Boone And Danville could be a close call, Boone has been getting better and better throughout every competition from what i have seen, and that last tourney was a close call.

It still may be to early to tell.

[Man with No Nation]

Yeah...But you have to remember how many people we took to finals in EX and IM that day...And all the big-hitters were not at that comp. Now, I think there is a fair margin, but Boone could still pull up a top place...I just think we're going to get 3rd this year...

[KY Acid Trip]

Still what im saying, is even with a lot of big people being absent, we were still able to beat some danville people out of finals. ( but i dont know if any of those people are from danville, lol )

[Man with No Nation]

Yeah. Hey, it's all fun and games until state, right?

[KY Acid Trip]

Lol, you bet!!! :P

[Man with No Nation]

Why don't people post where each school ranks in KY...I have noticed that people are just advertising their team. Advertise them in your list.

[BansheeSoccer13]

The thing about this season is this: everyone is being minorly inconsistant.

We have some teams winning here, others there. We really can't tell until state what's gonna' happen. But then again, what fun is it if we don't guess about right?

Okay, here are my top six in NO ORDER. Honestly, I think that it might go any of many ways. This is, naturally, considering that Rowan goes to state. If not, then...I don't know...i'll think about it! :wink:

Rowan
Boone
Graves
Danville
Bethlehem
Knott

Now, this is just impulse, and I probably forgot someone important. I'll come back an fix it later, or you guys can berate me about it, or whatever! But, let's look at this. Rowan and Knott haven't been to much, but they always perform well. And...geez...with the other four, it's been nip and tuck all year. It just depends on who practices hardest and who brings thier A-game with them in March! What do you guys think?

[KY Acid Trip]

The thing about this season is this: everyone is being minorly inconsistant.

We have some teams winning here, others there. We really can't tell until state what's gonna' happen. But then again, what fun is it if we don't guess about right?

Okay, here are my top six in NO ORDER. Honestly, I think that it might go any of many ways. This is, naturally, considering that Rowan goes to state. If not, then...I don't know...i'll think about it! :wink:

Rowan
Boone
Graves
Danville
Bethlehem
Knott

Now, this is just impulse, and I probably forgot someone important. I'll come back an fix it later, or you guys can berate me about it, or whatever! But, let's look at this. Rowan and Knott haven't been to much, but they always perform well. And...geez...with the other four, it's been nip and tuck all year. It just depends on who practices hardest and who brings thier A-game with them in March! What do you guys think?

I completely Agree With you... So many teams have lost this tourney, won that one, that there is really no telling what can happen at state, one team could just slip up and change everyones ranking, another team could get lucky and have everyone do extrememly well, it really is to early to tell. So people, why dont you stop posting rankings that each team will get, and do what Banshee did, just list what schools you think will be in the top 6.

[Interper05]

1. Rowan/Knott
3. Danville
4. Boone
5. Graves/Calloway

I think Rowan and Knott are pretty evenly matched and it could safley be said that they are the largest power-houses in Kentucky. Rowan did beat Knott at Scott Co., however it was a narrow victory that could have easily been swayed the other way.

[Sgt. Pepperz]

Of course as always in my humble opinion, I beleive the top three schools in at KHSSL state will be in no order:

1.) Knot
2.) Graves
3.) Davies

All three of these will be extremely close...and in my opinion..you can't even really guess who will win state. only state matters...theres many variables when you go to so many tourneys...people being absent, sickness, and also when teams are trying to win state their not neccesarily going to win that tourney, For example, were worried about getting people qualified for state and winning state, if we win a few tournaments sweet action...but it's fun to guess who's going to win state never the less...peace out Thomas Pepperz

[Man with No Nation]

I'm not from Danville or anything...But it's going to be hard for them NOT to place in the top three...

[KY_Liberal]

I'm going to disagree slightly w/ Ali. It's tough for any team to make top three since you have limited entries..

That said, I don't see Daviess making it to top three this year. As much as I love everyone I've met from there (all two in person, and all one on FOL), I just can't see them doing it. They didn't take top 10 last year if I remember correctly, and I don't believe they did the year before either. Also, I just think they have too many wholes and not enough consistent top 3 finishers to warrant putting them 3rd.

It wouldn't be too big of a leap to put them in top 10, but I feel any more may be a bit of a leap.

Now, it doesn't take a dreamer to see Graves winning it, since y'all were first to qualify a full slate. Some other people I would put in contention still have not qualified a full slate.

That said, I have to agree with the post (inteper05, right?) that said top 5/6 could go any way, and I can't wait to see how it does.

[Man with No Nation]

Disagree with me all you want...I know that you think Danville is in the top 3 if they have a "Regular Saturday" type of day at state. Then again, a few people beating anyone here or there could knock them off. Anyway, as I always say "Everyone is entitled to their opinions, no matter how wrong they are." (Oh, noone take offence to that, it's just a jokey saying by moi.)

[KY_Liberal]

Good analysis Quentin.

I must say I agree on the whole, but I think you will be surprised w/ how our team does. Of course, I am biased, which is why I have tried to refrain from commenting on how placing goes... just criticize others...

I feel now is the time to apologize to you for mispelling your name over and over again, and from now on I will refer to you as Q (it's a good thing, Star Trek reference.)

I must say though that I don't think anyone doubts Rowan's effectiveness. They truly are amazing, but every school is focused on KHSSL... and Rowan has not gone. Since they have not gone, no one really talks about them on here as much.

.. Now, I know this is the wrong forum but I'm not sure if you check the Congress one... so, two quick questions. One, are you doing Congress at state? For some reason I seem to remember you saying you were doing it this year, but I may have imagined it.

2: Will your team be competing at Lafeyette? I certainly hope that y'all do, because the competition there will be amazing. Hopefully you can also make the trip north for Campbell/Boone too, another great chance for Congress practice in a year that has seen the usual tournies not happen.

[Man with No Nation]

You can't call him Q...That'll confuse us Boonies so used to calling Quron Meeks Q. (He's our quarterback (doesn't do forensics))... :( :? :? :? :x

[littleknown]

Yea, ditto what KY_Liberal said. Folks should come to the Campbell/Boone Swing on Jan. 29th. It's the last invitational tournament of the year. (Need to get pre-qualified, folks?) Geez, time flies. Anyway, the "Boone" portion of the tournament is hosting Congress - one of the few congress tournaments all year. :D

[Man with No Nation]

Yea, ditto what KY_Liberal said. Folks should come to the Campbell/Boone Swing on Jan. 29th. It's the last invitational tournament of the year. (Need to get pre-qualified, folks?) Geez, time flies. Anyway, the "Boone" portion of the tournament is hosting Congress - one of the few congress tournaments all year. :D


You do realize that this is where you post the KY state rankings instead of advertising a tourney. If I'm not mistaken, there is a place to advertise tourneys on here, but hey, I'm probably wrong...I almost always am... Well, anyway, at least post someone on here and where they're going to rank...

[Sgt. Pepperz]

I must disagree with my teammate and friend Q. I don't think Rowan should be ranked first. Sure, they have an impressive record however Rowan often refuses to participate in many KHSSL Tournaments, so they often don't compete against teams such as ourselves, Graves County. If and when they do start competing against teams regularly who finish top five at state, then i will consider them for rankings. We can always say well if and maybe, however, they are not competing at state, which to me is the only tournament that matters, when they come and place at state, then they deserve to be ranked. Your friend Sgt. Pepperz Peace

[ria]

that's a very good point.

[Man with No Nation]

Yeah it is...But I'm sure now a member of that team may get mad at you...

[KY_Liberal]

Good point Sgt Pepperz, but at many KHSSL qualifiers Rowan is there. Often with only their "B" team, which still places rather high. They do well in all events, and last year won NFL districts. I'd have agreed with you two years ago, but not this year or last. They simply have done too well at invitationals and at national qualifiers.

Now, we must also consider KESDA. I will agree that KHSSL is better than KESDA, but it is still a viable state competition for a state title... and they consistently win there. Even with the discrepincies, they have proven themselves as amiable competitors against anyone in the state.

I wish everyone went to both KESDA, KHSSL, NFL qualifiers, and CFL qualifiers (ourselves included), but that simply isn't going to happen anytime soon. A variety of reasons cause this, but based solely on Invitational records, Rowan deserves to be up there.

However, for KHSSL preseason rankings (which is what the vast majority of are on) they should not be listed until they say they are competing there.

As always, jmho.

[ria]

i have nothing against any of the rowan competitors. they are extremely good. but i don't think they should be ranked in these KHSSL rankings we've done until they compete as regularly in the tournaments as the rest of the schools mentioned.

[Man with No Nation]

i have nothing against any of the rowan competitors. they are extremely good. but i don't think they should be ranked in these KHSSL rankings we've done until they compete as regularly in the tournaments as the rest of the schools mentioned.

Not to sound like an *** or anything, but I would like to take the time and clarify that the name of the forum is Kentucky Preseason rankings and not KHSSL preseason rankings. Therefore, it is up to the poster to decide how they think each team ranks in the state of KY...Not how they will place at KHSSL.

[Sgt. Pepperz]

I have to acknowledge how well Rowan has been doing, however, i still must stick to my argument that KHSSL state is the only tournament that matters to me in how schools are ranked, they do not compete their, therefore i cannot rank them. However i do acknowledge their talent and skill. I understand this is kentucky preason rankings, however i did mention that in my opinion state is the only tournament that matters...so when i rank...i rank based on KHSSL, not KESDA...peace out

[foyboy75]

When I created this thread, I had KHSSL in mind. However, it is KY Preseason Rankings, so looking back, I should have put Rowan at 1 or 2. So here's my new list

1) Rowan
2) Knott
3) Danville
4) Graves
5) Boone

[ria]

i'm confused. if we don't rank for KHSSL or KESDA, what are we ranking here? i figured that it's kind of hard to rank for the state with no mention of the state tournaments.

[Man with No Nation]

i'm confused. if we don't rank for KHSSL or KESDA, what are we ranking here? i figured that it's kind of hard to rank for the state with no mention of the state tournaments.

If you want rank for both, but since it's impossible to know for a fact who's going to what event, we should just rank the top schools in the state of KY.

[ria]

ah. i'm thinking predictions here. if we were going statistically as of right now, then yeah, rowan has to be up there.

[Interper05]

I have to acknowledge how well Rowan has been doing, however, i still must stick to my argument that KHSSL state is the only tournament that matters to me in how schools are ranked, they do not compete their, therefore i cannot rank them. However i do acknowledge their talent and skill. I understand this is kentucky preason rankings, however i did mention that in my opinion state is the only tournament that matters...so when i rank...i rank based on KHSSL, not KESDA...peace out

But the poll doesn't say, "who do you think will win state" it is who, at this moment in time, according to previous tournaments this year is the best in Kentucky. Since Rowan has competed in KY tournaments this year, they are still eligable for ranking. This should have nothing to do with past tournaments in previous years. This is a current standing poll, not a KHSSL State prediction poll.

[foyboy75]

Nicely said Interper05

[ria]

and that means that all this debating that's been done about who is better than who is completely irrelevent. there's no debate involved when it's an actual statistical fact.
and on that note, how would you figure out exactly who is where in the rankings?

[BansheeSoccer13]

I agree, in a way. Most cases like this (like in soccer or basketball) they take a coaches poll. They base their votes not only on who has won the most games (even though that does count), but also on who is improving alot (IE: who could be real good real soon :wink: ), which tournaments they have won (IE: if there were only two teams there....winning isn't real that big of a deal...), and so on. So, I guess I think if we really wanted a "poll" or group decision on who was best, we would have to all post our top six, in order, and try to figure it out.

But really I think the point of this thing debate...so...yeah, I think we should go for that. As long as anyone backs up their point, I'm willing to think that any team should be talked about and considered! lol Okay...

[Sgt. Pepperz]

I apologize...i see everyone's point...and recently we competed with rowan and was beat...so i must concede. HOWEVER...i did say in my opinion...and i also mentioned i understood this was kentucky preseason rankings..so i didn't need to be informed...i just added to the convo...and i did acknoledge their skill as far as PRESEASON RANKINGS..but decided ot add in a bit more of my thougths..which was taht state is the only tournametn that matters to ME...sooo....yeah....
Sgt. Pepperz...peace out everyone

[ria]

well, now that everyone's happy and in agreement what's going on here...let's continue. anyone else have a thought as to up-and-coming teams, or those which are already really good?

[Interper05]

Well, it can be safely be said now that Rowan County is going to KHSSL State...well actually, just me...ha ha...psyched you out! But yes, one person from Rowan Co. will be at KHSSL...ME! I am taking Solo Acting, Oratory, and my Duo Interp partner is comming just to do Duo with me. We will be the first contestents from Rowan Co. in 16 years! The reason I am going is because I want to be on the WKU Speech Team and my coach thought it might be good for me to go to KHSSL State so I might get my foot in the door since almost all the other applicants for the team from Kentucky go to the tournament.

[ria]

sounds like a plan. khssl state is great. everyone should go to khssl state! well, not everyone.....that would be really difficult...

[BansheeSoccer13]

LOL Actually, you really did freak me out. I mean, I just had been thinking all year, "Well, Rowen won't be at state.." So, you want to be on WKU's speech team? So do I! What's your name? Maybe we can chat sometime!

[ria]

yeah, i noticed that at the start of the post, but i got distracted by the reference to wku speech.

btw, why did rowan leave bafore awards at lafayette? the whole ceremony was rather dull with so few people there.

[Lord Chancellor]

From what Ashley Adkins, a Rowan extemper said, it was because, "It [was] too cold to stay."

What does the temperature outside have to do with awards? I haven't a clue. Your guess is as good as mine.

Until the next speech mystery, this is Brice Acree, Private Eye, signing out.

--BDLA

[ria]

"too cold" might have been a legitimate excuse if it meant the roads were icing over and they had a long way to drive to get home. but rowan isn't that far from lexington, is it? not far enough to make that an issue, and the roads weren't bad at all. i have respect for rowan's abilities and talents, but that was uncool.

[Man with No Nation]

I wonder how they're going to get all those trophies sent to them...

[littleknown]

not to ruffle any feathers about the "rowan county leaving lafayette awards early" controversy - but we need to remember that there are varying circumstances that pop up causing teams to have to leave early - weather, school dances, long travel time, school plays, etc. - and we need to be flexible about the "ethics and etiquette of forensics" - which sometimes border on artificial and impractical. so cut the team a break, because rowan county folks are some of the friendliest, classiest, and polite competitors that i've met this year.

[Man with No Nation]

What I, personally, meant is that their had to be a better excuse than the cold weather...I don't know what the weather would have to do with the Rowan team leaving early...

[Lord Chancellor]

I completely agree, Ali and Ria. What we must remember, though, is that the individuals on Rowan's team have nothing to do with it. My conversations with Ashley Adkins, Ariel Perkins, and Luke Victor (all Rowan extempers) revealed to me an underlying discontent with being forced to leave early.

Personally, I don't think that we should hold the Rowan competitors accountable. The decision to leave was a poor one, I concede that, but I doubt it was one made by the team itself.

So, littleknown, no feathers ruffled. None of these posts are personal attacks. True to form, there can be personal circumstances that arise. After all, I skipped awards at the first tournament of the year because of a personal conflict. No big deal. But two tournaments in a row is a bit extreme, and leaving for "cold" weather is a rather sad.

Overall, I understand the sentiment on both sides. Let's not get carried away, though. A bad decision to leave? Maybe. But remember, most of those Rowan kids would have stayed if handed the option.

As always,

--BDLA

[Man with No Nation]

I completely agree, Ali and Ria. What we must remember, though, is that the individuals on Rowan's team have nothing to do with it. My conversations with Ashley Adkins, Ariel Perkins, and Luke Victor (all Rowan extempers) revealed to me an underlying discontent with being forced to leave early.

Personally, I don't think that we should hold the Rowan competitors accountable. The decision to leave was a poor one, I concede that, but I doubt it was one made by the team itself.

So, littleknown, no feathers ruffled. None of these posts are personal attacks. True to form, there can be personal circumstances that arise. After all, I skipped awards at the first tournament of the year because of a personal conflict. No big deal. But two tournaments in a row is a bit extreme, and leaving for "cold" weather is a rather sad.

Overall, I understand the sentiment on both sides. Let's not get carried away, though. A bad decision to leave? Maybe. But remember, most of those Rowan kids would have stayed if handed the option.

As always,

--BDLA

Very, VERY well put. I am not mad at the Rowan competitors nor Rowan at all, I just think that their had to be some other reason other than weather as to why they left. On top of that I found it kind of funny that they after the ceremony, about 1/3 of the trophies were still waiting to be handed out.

[Lord Chancellor]

By the way... how do the trophies find their way to the competitors? Is Lafayette now responsible for shipping them to Morehead, KY, or something?

--BDLA

[Man with No Nation]

LOL, Melissa and I were discussing this like Sunday or Monday. We're thinking they give it to the ONE guy going to KHSSL and make him take all the trophies over to Rowan

[Interper05]

**begin rant**

ok, i'm sorry if this offends anyone, but that is complete crap. it is common courtesy to stay for awards, especially when you have as many people as rowan did breaking into finals. there's a certain amount of speech ethics that rowan did not show at lafayette. "too cold" might have been a legitimate excuse if it meant the roads were icing over and they had a long way to drive to get home. but rowan isn't that far from lexington, is it? not far enough to make that an issue, and the roads weren't bad at all. i have respect for rowan's abilities and talents, but that was simply impolite and unjustified.

**end rant**

Alright, time for a Rowan County person to had his two cents. The reason we left was that our coach has been having problems with his teeth (he just had a root canal) and he was in pain. Our other coach was unable to attend the tournament because she was sick. So we left early. No big deal. I love you to death, Ria, but don't just jump to conclusions (this is Ryan Brown, by the way).


To answer Lord Chancellor's question about trophies, a parent volunteered to stay for awards and collected all of the trophies and brought them home.

[ria]

sorry, ryan. i didn't mean to let my opinion come out that forcefully. i try not to surrender to my temper, but sometimes i slip, and i hate it when i do. in fact, i usually don't realize what i sound like until after the fact.

but like bryce said, nothing here was a personal attack. i didn't blame the individual competitors or anything, and i sure didn't think that they all wanted to leave.

and i hope your coach feels better soon. root canal sounds uber-painful.

[Interper05]

^^
Hey, it's no big deal. I get carried away with certain things, too. No harm no faul! :)

[Man with No Nation]

I'm glad there was actually a reasoning and not that it was "too cold", lol. So, anyway, I think everyone in KY should just hug and show love towards each competitor, not hate.

[ria]

*hugs kentucky*

[BansheeSoccer13]

Yeah, well, I think a state wide group hug could get a little out of hand! :wink:

[Man with No Nation]

(Just play along for the sake of everyone) *hugs Kentucky*