Four Years of Things I Hate

[MK]

Ok, this thread is a product of 1) my being extremeley, extremeley bored and 2) reflection upon the 4 years of madness to which I, as well as most others on this forum, have devoted a great deal of my life. But we spend too much time on the positive, so this is my chance, and yours, to post the things that have pissed you off for the last 4 or however many years. I encourage you to be as inflammatory as possible [yea these boards have been as stale as a Norwegian escort service lately, so I thought I'd spice it up].
Here goes:
1) DPS 2003. You know what I hate about debate? 17 hour days dissolved into dust after ballots get switched and you go 114. Yep..one ballot tells me I have a "thick accent" and that "my China analysis is wrong" ....that was my Russia round, so let's hope so, lady. First tournament of the year...and an almost all novice final. Luckily, it went on to become the singular episode of its kind..but good lord.

2) People that talk to me at tournaments that I don't know. Usually these are people that have been told by their teammates to come up and talk to me/throw food. You know what I have to say to you degenerate little freshmen? You are gullible...so gullible that I don't trust you on the streets by yourselves. Learn to meet people before you throw your aimless trash in their faces.

3) Not having salad at tournaments. Parents usually do a fantastic job getting food for tournaments, and that's appreciated...but no salad? fruit? Aren't we trying to keep your little debaters healthy? Why can't I get other host team's freshmen to make me salad???!

4) 4 years of awards ceremonies, and there are still like 3 coaches in this state that can say my name correctly. I'm releasing an educational video, complete with bouncing syllable icon.

5) Not ever being able to watch anyone else, because they're run on top of each other and none of the finals, including state, are run on stage in front of each other.

Ok, all of those who read maddox will appreciate the comic value of this thread. Everything I say is a joke, so don't go blubbering to your mommy just yet. I encourage all of you to gripe with ferocity to match mine!

[Gook1000]

hey you'd be surprised... norwegian escort services are bumpin

tack on structural inherency, spencer 7-off riggs, second DPS 2003, add DPS 2002 but i like junk food

[MRdbtr]

Good call, Mayya, this forum needed somewhere for me to *****...Here goes~These are the things i have hated about Colorado Speech during High School.

1. State Quals and State- I sincerely want to know how i can qualify to nationals 4 times, 3 in congress and 1 in PFD, and yet only qualify to state ONCE in four years...CX as a frosh. Either I am really pathetic in normal state events, or CHSAA hates me...I tend to favor the latter.

2. Along with Mayya, I HATE people who come up to me at tournaments who I don't know (and often times have no desire TO know). Just because i debated you once as a sophomore doesn't mean i am your new best friend. I know, i'm blindingly gorgeous and am the pimpest speaker around (come on, how good is Colorado Springs, really??) but that doesn't mean you can interupt my conversations.

3. Northridge "Fire on the Ridge" 2003- okay, quick clarification. This by far the best-run tournament i have been to in a long time. However, no voting in Congress, and an IMPROMPTU congress at that...so bills were written THERE. It was bad. Plus, get this...I lost in PFD to a team from Rocky Mountain whose case consisted of saying the resolution and throwing out 3 minutes of cliches, like (5/3 of Americans don't understand fractions). **** tournament.

4. Going to a quasi-poor school- I hate this very much. We don't have the resources of a Cherry Creek or even a Rampart for that matter. We can almost never stay the night (twice this year...twice!) before a tournament, even when it runs 2 days. Just because our school wants to support our 1-10 football team over the 4N6 team that sends people to nats and gets recognition. God i hate our administration.

5. Nancy Groves- This woman is a *****. Sorry, she is. I can't stand her. She is mean and nasty and cruel and she doesn't know what she's doing. Plus, my freshman year she said i "had no natural debating abilities and would be best to find another activity that better suited my strengths." Now i attend nats each year and consistently beat her teams, who aren't that great either (minus Lindsey, she can hang). TAKE THAT *****!!!!

6. My team being better than all of the other teams down in COS- Oh, no wait, i LIKE that...Wrong thread.

7. Jimmy Carter- Bugbee always brings it up....that's REALLY what i'm tired of.

That's all i have right now, i'll think of others soon.

Adam

[PureAdrenalineX]

Lets see what I can add...

1. Judges who can't hear: In one of my PF rounds this year I actually had a judge who had hearing aids and couldn't really hear my partner and I. She kept stopping us in the middle of our round asking us to repeat ourselves. Come on lady...

2. Debaters who think yelling=debating: I can't count the number of times I've hit these people this year. Instead of actually trying to debate well, they feel the need to yell extremely loud in hopes of making it seem like they are intelligent. They are stupid and need to quit debating.

3. Anyone who comes up to me and starts the "CX is better than PF" argument: Now this is just old. I have nothing against CX. In fact I have great respect for anyone who can do this event with success. I've tried it before and I blew. All this aside, some people still feel the need to try to debate me over which is better. They both have their ups and downs. Get over it!

4. Northridge's "Fire on the Ridge" Tournament: Like Adam said, this was a horrible Congress. They had no clue what was happening. They actually let a kid interupt people in the middle of speeches to ask questions. One speach I got interupted so many times I ended up giving a 45 second speech. This is just gay.

5. People who can't dress themselves: Normally I could give a rats behind what people wore to tournaments but there are some people that just need to turn a light on when getting dressed. If you wear a polo shirt and a clip on tie with tennis shoes, you need to beat yourself with a large rock until you slip into a coma. Plain and Simple.

6. Ribbons: I hate to get ribbons. Its the old "You weren't good enough but you sucked less then the other people so here is a strip of cloth" idea. If I dont make finals, I don't want some gay ribbon.

7. Adam--this is a joke but you are a ******* for your Number 7 and what you said in AP English the other day

8. Batteries--Why is it that my batteries in my CD player always die the one time I want to listen to it.

9. The fact that I haven't done Forensics until my senior year!

[Gook1000]

i forgot some stuff:

public forum

chic flicks

my little brother's madonna cd

and this dude:


1. State Quals and State- I sincerely want to know how i can qualify to nationals 4 times, 3 in congress and 1 in PFD, and yet only qualify to state ONCE in four years...CX as a frosh. Either I am really pathetic in normal state events, or CHSAA hates me...I tend to favor the latter.

i tend to favor the former. first, i've qualled 2x in congress and you know what? no effort required. second, qualling in PFD is for lamerz and/or cx failures. sorry but i think you just suck at the normal events. finally, state is the greatest tournament of them all... yes, and this includes nats, the TOC, the NDT, and berkeley. nothing like having a round where the judge doesn't flow and stares at the ceiling. what's not to like? (although, to its credit, the wooden trophy i got was pretty chill)


2. Along with Mayya, I HATE people who come up to me at tournaments who I don't know (and often times have no desire TO know). Just because i debated you once as a sophomore doesn't mean i am your new best friend. I know, i'm blindingly gorgeous and am the pimpest speaker around (come on, how good is Colorado Springs, really??) but that doesn't mean you can interupt my conversations..

first off, the pimpest speaker round your parts is logan martin. second, i love having the freshman crowds. actually i wouldn't know since most underclassmen hate me


3. Northridge "Fire on the Ridge" 2003- okay, quick clarification. This by far the best-run tournament i have been to in a long time. However, no voting in Congress, and an IMPROMPTU congress at that...so bills were written THERE. It was bad. Plus, get this...I lost in PFD to a team from Rocky Mountain whose case consisted of saying the resolution and throwing out 3 minutes of cliches, like (5/3 of Americans don't understand fractions). **** tournament

while non-voting congress does sound weak, you can't complain about tournaments unless you've been at pueblo west and/or dps. next, you lose in life for competing in PFD.


4. Going to a quasi-poor school- I hate this very much. We don't have the resources of a Cherry Creek or even a Rampart for that matter. We can almost never stay the night (twice this year...twice!) before a tournament, even when it runs 2 days. Just because our school wants to support our 1-10 football team over the 4N6 team that sends people to nats and gets recognition. God i hate our administration.

hey at least your school has electricity.... golden just got running water this year


6. My team being better than all of the other teams down in COS- Oh, no wait, i LIKE that...Wrong thread.

bro, being the best team down in the springs is like saying you're the best 2A football team. who gives a ****?


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[Gook1000]

2. Debaters who think yelling=debating: I can't count the number of times I've hit these people this year. Instead of actually trying to debate well, they feel the need to yell extremely loud in hopes of making it seem like they are intelligent. They are stupid and need to quit debating.

you are stupid and need to quit posting. my debate style consists of reading cards as fast as possible and yelling ad homs at my opponents. tends to work pretty well... (although that's not the key to my success this year, it's politix for real yo)


3. Anyone who comes up to me and starts the "CX is better than PF" argument: Now this is just old. I have nothing against CX. In fact I have great respect for anyone who can do this event with success. I've tried it before and I blew. All this aside, some people still feel the need to try to debate me over which is better. They both have their ups and downs. Get over it!.

sounds like you're in denial. now while i have great (cough) respect for a "debate" event that requires no evidence, analytics, and ****, intelligence... i hold onto my original opinion that PF is for those who failed/don't work hard enough to succeed in CX. bummer, eh?


5. People who can't dress themselves: Normally I could give a rats behind what people wore to tournaments but there are some people that just need to turn a light on when getting dressed. If you wear a polo shirt and a clip on tie with tennis shoes, you need to beat yourself with a large rock until you slip into a coma. Plain and Simple.

and i'm sure you're the king of fashion. i happen to like my clip-on ties, thank you very much. and there's nothing wrong with tennis shoes.


6. Ribbons: I hate to get ribbons. Its the old "You weren't good enough but you sucked less then the other people so here is a strip of cloth" idea. If I dont make finals, I don't want some gay ribbon.

i have a solution to your problem: stop losing


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[nm_extemper]

gook...shut the **** up


adam is the man!!!

you suck. you compete in a ****ty nfl district (hence your 2 time quals to nats in congress and once in cx) you can say you've had a lot of success, but you have just had a lot of luck. at state you got 2nd because good teams had poor draws. of course your gonna qual to nats in cx this year, you only had one other reasonable team in your district. pf may suck, but it still beats the **** out of you!!!!!!! adam, kick *** at nats this year and laugh when gook doesnt even break!

-nme

logan is the pimpest speaker in the south! aside from scotty

[MRdbtr]

Alrighty, after all of the yelling, i would like to get in my words back to Phil. First of all, unlike Ryan, i have complete respect for Phil, through Sarah Whitney, mainly because i don't know you personally. So in response to what you said here goes.

1st of all- Saying that PFD is for non-CXers and those who don't want to try. Go ahead and ask Logan, Chris or Sarah Whitney, i can hold my own in a CX round (in fact i have a winning record against Spurlock/Martin and am .500 against Sarah and Henry, though they may not admit that :lol: ) Second, against that, my school no longer has a CX program at my coaches discretion, so it's PFD or LD. I prefer PF, it's as simple as that.

2- About me sucking at normal events. OK, lemme give this to you straight. I broke to octos my freshman year at state in CX, only losing to Vora and David from Mullen on a 2-1. Where were you that year? Did you break? Aside from that, i know that i have skills...

3- I never said i was a better speaker than Logan, or Henry and Scott for that matter, because i'm not. I am, however the best speaker in Colorado Springs (not to sound pompous, but with my record it's true), which does amount to something. Saying we are like 2A football is rather mute. If I can compete against and beat the likes of everyone in Colorado Grande (which is arguably a better district than yours, competitively speaking) than i am not a POS speaker.

4. I hate to say it, but Bugbee (PureAdrenalineX) does have better fashion sense than those who wear clip on ties and sneaks with their suits. That's just sad.

5. I have been to Pueblo West, and i will add that to my hate list. They sent Mesa the wrong PFD topic, and yet all of our teams went 2-1...Those *******s. How'd you do there, by the way?

Anyways, those are my answers, and i'm sure you'll have answers to these, so i'd love to keep going back and forth, it'll keep me occupied for a while. Also, I must say that from what i've heard you are quite a good CXer, so no hate there. Other than that, though, i think i'm done. And no matter what Ryan says, i don't want you NOT to break at nationals. Go and rep for Colorado.

Adam

[MK]

Whoa. I'm lovin all the hate on this thread, but just so you know:

The Golden CX district has never been easy. It's always contained Denver East, which despite a slight slack this year has been strong for oh......say......15 years. And Lakewood; who had a team in outrounds of state this year and Andrew Lee, Evan Simpson and some others farther back you wouldn't be familiar with. Not an easy gauntlet to run, my friend.
As much as I can see what incites you to spread the hateration, Golden BR has won a ton of stuff this year...so they are owed the fundamental props that come w/ that. Dig it?

On to the rest of the list, now that I have stuff to add:
Debate
1) People who never see the big picture of the debate community [and I don't even mean acknowledging circuit debate, because that's asking a lot, i know (debate out of CO could be better? GASP!)] and assume they are 1) really good and 2) know the people that win a lot, speak for them and discuss the results. This is going to come out wrong, but before you start trippin reflect on what you hear from novii/varsity who act like novii at debate tournaments: PEOPLE WHO HAVE A CONSISTENT PROBLEM WITH LOSING NEED TO RESTRICT THEMSELVES WHEN IT COMES TO ASSESSING PEOPLE THAT DON'T, both personally and competitively. Yea, that's right, I said it. You have a right to your opinion, but if you want to make a stink about who's good you have to think about how good YOU are first. If you can't back it up, keep your thoughts to yourself, or acknowledge that first. You think you know, but you have no idea.

2) Both extremes of the CX circuit/theory/speed controversy

Other Stuff:
1) The Lakewood thread [thank you, nm_extemper :p]
2) Crap resembling what happened to Mr. Kretz at state quals. Sorry dude, I know how that is.
3) Getting banned from tournaments. Dude even if it's your fault, it sucks
4) The Pepsi girl. **** her.

[MK]

Hate is officially a sport! Yes!
Props to Adam! Sarah Whitney and I are good friends, and she's told me a ton about you. Apparently you can dance.
Your answers are good; I buy it.
Lol about the clothing: Dude. Clip ons and sneakers for life! I wore flip flops all the way through extemp commentary, baby. Kidding! Actually I'm all about the suits/stillettos/dress shoes/real ties. Unless it's that brown suit from Berkeley. Good lord girl.....if you've got 6 asscheeks, cover at least 3 of them....keep it appropriate.

[MRdbtr]

But i like Pepsi...

Just jivin'. Anyways, the hate on this thread is fun. I was, however, reading the results from Mr. Rappmund's post about pairings at Nat Quals, and it was quite impressive them going 6-0 and getting to nats by default. If we are going by tournament success this year, then, I would like to note that I don't suck (i can't emphasize this enough). I won or placed 2nd at tourneys in PFD, Congress, Duo, Oratory, and both National and International Extemp. I will regress and give Golden BR their proper dues, big congrats and the like, i just would appreciate the same reciprocated. But then again the hate is more fun, so just keep on because that makes the forum better. This love fest i just typed (with apologies now) makes it boring.

Adam

[Gook1000]

****, after the brief reciprocated hate from nm_extemper it died down. time to bring it back fellaz


gook...shut the **** up

don't call me gook foo


you suck. you compete in a ****ty nfl district (hence your 2 time quals to nats in congress and once in cx) you can say you've had a lot of success, but you have just had a lot of luck. at state you got 2nd because good teams had poor draws. of course your gonna qual to nats in cx this year, you only had one other reasonable team in your district.

****ty nfl district? it's hella better than your out-of-denver uneducated dumb**** shinnanigans. i pray for the rounds where i can hit grand junction or equivalent with a circuit judge. next, i'd like to point out that 3 teams in semis at state (us, eaglecrest, lakewood) all are from our district. where was grande? that's right... out in octas fool. next, i didn't get 2nd in state, i got 3rd. the reason i did had nothing to do with good teams getting poor draws... what little you know about cx. yes, we had an easier prelim draw than some, but we still took down rocky mountain will/doss and greeley west mills/dunn in elims. no easy feat pal. only one other reasonable team? i beg to differ: eaglecrest DH, denver east AG, lakewood LH, denver east TE to name a few.


pf may suck, but it still beats the **** out of you!!!!!!! adam, kick *** at nats this year and laugh when gook doesnt even break!

it beats the **** out of me? oh the warrants of the claim, people!! when gook doesn't even break? are you gonna be at nats? if so, hopefully you'll see me fail then. until then, go **** yoself


2- About me sucking at normal events. OK, lemme give this to you straight. I broke to octos my freshman year at state in CX, only losing to Vora and David from Mullen on a 2-1. Where were you that year? Did you break? Aside from that, i know that i have skills...

hmm you know of vora and david. you not |337 yet tho lol. yes i was at state but i got pwn3d. beat vora at regionals on a fluke decision.


4. I hate to say it, but Bugbee (PureAdrenalineX) does have better fashion sense than those who wear clip on ties and sneaks with their suits. That's just sad.

hey **** you... i like my clip on tie and tennis shoes. (no i don't actually wear a clip on you stupid ****s)


5. I have been to Pueblo West, and i will add that to my hate list. They sent Mesa the wrong PFD topic, and yet all of our teams went 2-1...Those *******s. How'd you do there, by the way?

got owned cause i wasn't used to the southern CO judging


As much as I can see what incites you to spread the hateration, Golden BR has won a ton of stuff this year...so they are owed the fundamental props that come w/ that. Dig it?

hehe thanks and same to you with the hardcore extemp owning


But i like Pepsi...

you are a fool. drink either coke or ginger ale or something. even 7up. i prefer rum myself


I won or placed 2nd at tourneys in PFD, Congress, Duo, Oratory, and both National and International Extemp.

good for you, you still suck... plus you did some IEs? wtf? (i don't want to hear anything about me and storytelling at nats last year)

[MRdbtr]

hmm you know of vora and david. you not |337 yet tho lol. yes i was at state but i got pwn3d. beat vora at regionals on a fluke decision. "


I don't know what the 337 means, but i guess it's bad. Oh well. So let's not go off of sheer performance; can we at least agree that both of us are talented 4N6 peeps, with 7 nat bids between us??? If not, it's a sad day.

I don't know what else to hate on. Gimme something to work off of, Phil, otherwise i'm beatin a dead horse here. No Matter, it's all good in tha hood.

Adam

[Gook1000]

don't know the 1337? shame. i'd explain more but i'd probably be kicked off the forum for being too warez hax0r nerdy.

no more hate for today i suppose... i need nm_extemper to come back and start talkin some **** again... or even KY_Jelly (what happened to that foo?)

[toped]

Do not make illegal copies of this disk.

[Gook1000]

well **** me up the *** folks, nm_extemper isn't the only lamer on this "forum," add toped to that list. ****a, stop acting like you know what's up with policy debate and sit the **** down.


1. Kids who have some success, fit in with the disillusioned crowd of those who don't see as much success, or want to be disillusioned for some other reason, and end up being asses. This is unfortunetely seen all too often in the policy crowd (esp. in good ol' CO). A kid will adopt the alienated "i'm a cool policy kid, so **** you!" attitude. He/she will insult other kids, pretend to be better or cooler than others, and end up showing how really not cool or good they are.

fool, sorry but i am cooler than your lame ***. next, i never claimed policy as the end-all event (well it probably is, but that's a different debate), just claiming it as higher up than forum. and even so, most of previous posts were (somewhat) in jest, thus the emoticons at then end. story of your post: chill the **** out


haha - aren't you fun!! There are cool policy kids, like spurlock/martin, who aren't dicks, AND are most likely better than you if you're from CO!

**** right i'm fun buddy. i know spurlock/martin well and we're chill. let's look at a post from cross-x.com, posted by spurlock here:
http://www.cross-x.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46304&perpage=25&pagenumber=6

"More than anything I want to really comment on who are possibly one of the most underrated and ****ing awesomely cool teams in CO: Bink/Rapp. You guys are some of the coolest guys in debate all around. It was really good to chill and talk with you guys and I appreciate everything that you did during the tournament. Mad props to you guys for doing so well. You guys ****ing rock."


2. Kids who think that 1. state is the greatest tournament ever, and 2. think that there is one Quote:
greatest tournament of them all.
There really aren't tournaments that can claim that. sorry!

first off, i was jokin with the state thing. too bad you're too stupid to pick up on the sarcasm. second, there is a tournament that can claim greatest: the NDT


4. Teams like Golden BR. I can garauntee you, you aren't AMAZING. perhaps, yes, you deserve props. Good job, I seriously commend you. However, at the point you start being a cocky dick, talking out your *** about things you don't understand, and pretending to be way cooler than you are, you have lost those props. Sorry bucko!

oh my god, what the **** crawled up your *** foo? most people can attest to the fact that i'm not cocky, i ask you to point out some examples where i'm acting (and seriously, not joking) arrogant. second, what am i talking about that i don't understand? bucko? -> my god, that is lame


2. I pray to see you have a good circuit judge. that'd be funny. Maybe you'd win, maybe. But the judje would walk out laughing at the kid who thought he could thow down, but was actually just a wanna-be policy kid w/****y co critical positions (or maybe good positions, but run by kids who don't know crap about theory!) . At least bad teams outside of denver recognize what level they're on!

i have good circuit judges all the time. had only one slow round at state and nat quals and no slow judges at berkeley. good records at all 3 tourneys. and i know my theory, i'll debate ya right here and right now.


5. Now, about grande out in octas. I put my full faith behind spurlock/martin and breckmayer/bordon. I'd like to see you hit those teams in front of a (good) circuit judge! You'd get yourself embaressed, kicked, and walk out crying. (or maybe you're one of those kids who thinks they win, when they don't! or that they're good!) All i know is that there probobly should have been two grande teams in the top couple at state. (but props to chris and jameson, they most likely deserved it).

never hit brokmeyer/borden. but i agree with you, i WOULD like to hit them in front of a good circuit judge. as for your "embarassed, etc" comment, i don't cry, and second: fine assumption since you've never seen me debate. like i said, i never faced durango. hit canon city at golden/mullen with a circuit judge and lost the close round since i had poor time allocation and spent only like 20 sec on ASPEC. they are good and i don't deny it. lastly, i like your comment that there "should have been grande teams in the top couple" or whatever. well you can keep crying about what should've been bud, but what WAS in semis was mullen, lakewood, eaglecrest and my ***. and after taking down two of some of the best teams in octas/quarters.. i'm going to go out on a limb and say i deserved it


so now, I'd just say to stop being a dick. you won't, but I'll say it. Everyone on here deserves props, and to be able to hate in peace.

lol, wasn't really being a dick; at least MRdbtr saw some of the humor in it. you on the other hand, are a cock... i suggest coolin off 8)

[MRdbtr]

Wow, I'm glad everyone has gotten to vent now about....well, everything. Good times are always had on the WOS forum, good times...

Adam :lol:

[Gook1000]

good times on the WOS forum? these fora suck. i'm headin back to cross-x.com where at least there's humor

[squeaks]

We've got humor, really. Don't leave us!!

but now, not quite four years of things I hate:

1. The lack of drinking fountains with tasty water at tournaments. A very prolific problem..

2. People who talk really loud in the extemp prep room when they're practicing their speeches. We don't want to hear you! Just makes me mad, because you have to wonder why they do it! maybe they want to show off, maybe they have trouble controlling the volume of their voice, maybe other reasons. Regardless, it feels like nails on a chalkboard to me.

3. I'd have to go w/mayya on the one about rando people coming up to you and talking to you. I don't reall mind it in its pure form, but when people get mad because you don't know their name, or remember them, it gets annoying. Some of them just want to wish luck or something, which I don't mind at all though!

4. Kids who steal things from my boxes. It makes me sad. (someone stole my code sheet/index from my boxes at state quals. I had extras, but it still pissed me off. Cleptos have no place in the prep room, or in speech.

5. People who watch rounds with the intention of messing up other people. This is fairly rare, but it happens. they'll watch a round of something, and try to make faces and piss people off during the person's speech. I've never seen or heard of it working, but it happens. Kids who do that aren't fun.

6.Way overpriced food. Overpriced is okay and understandable, but it goes too far sometimes.

7. Bathrooms with the blowers rather than papertowels. It might reduce trash, but blowers NEVER dry your hands fully. Plus, without paper towels, when you have to blow your nose, you have to use tp - and its just easier to avoid the toilets when possible.

8. Kids who judge. about anything. It is always easier and more fun when people can just chill, and not have others judging them in and out of rounds.

9. Those people who hate. I don't really like haters. Where's the love? What the world needs now is love, sweet love! My love is all I have to give. Love me do. How many licks does---- I mean, I'm lovin' it! (ba da ba ba ba)

Maybe I'll think of some more!
now, a joke, to add humor.
How may Polaks does it take to eat a burrito?
the answer tomorrow - are you on the edge of your seat?

-s

[MK]

Thank you for bringing this whole thread back to the original intent. I have trouble believing that some of these people have sat around hating Phil or any other specific debater/IEr for four years, so let's get off of that one.
See? Don't the random people bother you? Sure, some of them have nice things to say [to your face], and some of them really want to wish you luck [and a car accident on your way home], but others are just vicious.

Things I hate about extemp:
The whole "you cannot have cd players in the State prep room, because cds are recordable devices." Right, why don't I just put away my "Mayya's Pre-Written Extemp Speeches Mix." I don't think it occurs to these people that no one even conceives of trying this stuff unti they ban it. I'm burning copies of that mix for the younger kids as we speak! Muahahahahahahahaha. Have you guys taken a look at the new CHSAA manual? New prep rule: No kids wearing jewelry or any metal around the face will be permitted to do extemp, seeing as how aliens can beam information about topics and extemp speeches via the conducting signals. What now, you filthy cheaters?!

The rythm. 30 minutes of rush time, with 7 min show time, and hours of nothingness in between is sort of a strange pattern of adrenaline. In CX it's go time for 2 hours; the entire round, then rest. Extemp rounds are more skewed, it's weird.

The fact that someone jacked up my playdough pirate at state. I am so bitter about that, I can't even tell you.

Codes. Man what is with that? I want to be able to pick my code, and have it represented in a non-alphabetical symbol. Something like "z" for zor........ah crap.

The fact that extemp always has like 9.5 competitors per tournament, and that you're hitting the same 3 people all tournament. It's really sad that extemp isn't pushed that hard in this state; it's a rather interesting event and there's definitely a type of competitor that would enjoy it most. Coaches: make your kids extemp! NOW!

Getting topics like "What can Howard Dean do to secure the nomination" after Dean has dropped out of the race [thank you, state quals]. On top of that, getting yelled at by the prep woman for requesting a question I can answer. Little did she know the other two questions were "How good is Dean a candidate compared to others?" and "Dean or Kerry in 2004?"
^^An entirely separate gripe in itself.

Having to write my name on boards with my code. Dude, my name is like 4.6 miles long. I should be exempt. Is there a permission slip that lets you do that? I think I'll revert back to my symbol strategy.

"And in 1st place, international extemp, from CCHS, Maeua Komadjbnvde" You know what? @*%#(^@$*(&%)(#$ you!

[jackSparrow]

hahahaha. This is really really funny. :lol:

[the durango kid]

THis thread is pretty wickdly cool, but if anyone starts going to Ape ****, I'm obligated to shut it down. Gook: keep it clean aiet?.
One more thing,
On the one hand, I would agree that PF is an inherently weaker debate right now than CX
On the other hand, Adam is one of the best overall speakers evea!
So it evens ouut

[MRdbtr]

Mayya, i feel your pain...

Not personally, since, well, my name is Adam Kretz and only has 9 letters (about .337% of your last name's total), but at nats this past year in congress, one of the girls couldn't have a typed placard because her name was too long :cry: . Try saying "representative Sandhuya Ravinitalipachandran" when being PO. Sucks...

Anyways, returning to what this forum is about, i want to ***** about a few more things:

1. Widefield HS' forensics team- It's only because we're in the same district and are rivals in everything, but still, they suck. :P

2. Hardcore Rock. I just can't stand it. Nothing against the people who like it, and i'm sure that, yes, Metallica is the "greatest band of all time" to like 3 Billion people, but it is not palatable to me at all.

3. People who think 4N6 kids are goody-goodies. OK, we've all met over 5,000 of these, not realizing that the normal 4N6 kid is a whore or an alcoholic or a drug-dealer (sometimes all 3), but dismiss us as uncool. Those *******s.

Adam

[Gook1000]

2. People who talk really loud in the extemp prep room when they're practicing their speeches. We don't want to hear you!

everyone should just follow my example... bring some porn mags to read


4. Kids who steal things from my boxes. It makes me sad.

lol reminds me of chatfield chill when some ppl jacked our tubs. could've gotten ugly real fast, but that chatfield coach was quick to breakin it up


9. Those people who hate. I don't really like haters. Where's the love? What the world needs now is love, sweet love! My love is all I have to give. Love me do. How many licks does---- I mean, I'm lovin' it! (ba da ba ba ba)

oh my ****ing god


I have trouble believing that some of these people have sat around hating Phil or any other specific debater/IEr for four years, so let's get off of that one.


heh, at least until riggs gets on here...


Codes. Man what is with that? I want to be able to pick my code, and have it represented in a non-alphabetical symbol. Something like "z" for zor........ah crap.

come on now.... getting rid of codes? you know i'd be out of a job then!


THis thread is pretty wickdly cool, but if anyone starts going to Ape ****, I'm obligated to shut it down. Gook: keep it clean aiet?.
One more thing,
On the one hand, I would agree that PF is an inherently weaker debate right now than CX


foo, i say whatever i want. "clean" is all relative anyway, and stop callin me gook. at least you redeem yourself with you CX comment


Not personally, since, well, my name is Adam Kretz and only has 9 letters (about .337% of your last name's total)

i'm sorry, but you suck at math


2. Hardcore Rock. I just can't stand it. Nothing against the people who like it, and i'm sure that, yes, Metallica is the "greatest band of all time" to like 3 Billion people, but it is not palatable to me at all.


dude, metallica IS the greatest band of all time.... you uneducated lamer. what the **** do you listen to? hip-hop and adult contemporary?


nothing to add except tailgaters. especially on I-25 and/or ppl that pass in t-rex areas. bah

[cocowgurl]

Though I only have two years under my belt, I still have my share of complaints.

1) Loud extempers in the prep room. Oh my gosh, does quiet not include saying your speech like you're in a stadium. Learn to say it in your head.

2) No CD players at State. If you're gonna spend the time to burn speeches on a CD, use that time to... get better at extemp.

3) Novis who try to knock over my box on the bus.

4) PFers who do not return whole files they use for research on cases.

5) The fat coach from Air Academy. Don't get me started on her.

6)Impromptu congress and lack of parliamentry procedure.

7) Coaches busting in on make-out sessions, probably shouldn't have written that.

8)Riding with Widefield, Adam knows exactly what I'm talking about.

9)Extempers who wear clip on ties and sneakers.

That's all I can think of.

[MK]

People who write posts in bright facking magenta.

[MK]

People who spend hours reading forum sites just to find offensive things and harp on the people who post them.
Get a life, it's not that serious and you don't need to intervene.

[Gook1000]

got booted from a forum once because of that... it'd all be easier if everything was like usenet. the porn ads get old after a while, but still

nothing to add except the left wing

oh, and in reply to above; who the **** makes out at a debate tourney? guess i just don't get the 'urge' from a policy round

[cocowgurl]

Do you have a problem with the color I posted in? By the way, it was violet, this posting service doens't have magenta.

[MK]

And how!
Whoa, are you dissing my gradient judgement, little girl? I don't think someone who's debated a whole two years has the right to tell me what color they actually posted in. It's officially magenta. Don't like it? Sit down.
From now on I will tell you what color to post in, and you will post in that color until I tell you to switch. Your new assignment is to post in forrest green. Not emerald, not lime, but forrest. If you can't manage that I expect you to stay away from this forum. Dig it?

[Gook1000]

hahahaha and with that we have seen a coup people (forget durango kid)... cocowgurl has crossed the path of mayya's dominion, and her authority hath spoken. honestly tho, that pink/magenta/violet/whatever the **** you wanna call it hurts my eyes. which is why i'm now will be posting in the same color heh... while we're at it, i'm also officially declaring the color as violet as well lol.

-rapp, hue master

[MRdbtr]

Danielle, you're my bud and all, but you just don't cross Mayya, it doesn't work that way...

The battle of the fem-extempers has begun!!!

Adam

[MK]

hahahaha and with that we have seen a coup people (forget durango kid)... cocowgurl has crossed the path of mayya's dominion, and her authority hath spoken. honestly tho, that pink/magenta/violet/whatever the **** you wanna call it hurts my eyes. which is why i'm now will be posting in the same color heh... while we're at it, i'm also officially declaring the color as violet as well lol.

-rapp, hue master

And I am officially declaring your nuts canned, Rappmund. Don't start this war with me, woman.

As for cocowgurl: This Kretz character has issued you fair warning, you don't want to get on my bad side. But Kretz: battle of the fem extempers? It's on. My weapon of choice: hmm, I've thought long and hard about this one, and I think it'll have to be the State Championship plaque; I'll shield myself with the Berkeley plate. That's right Shanene, the gloves are off.

[Gook1000]

oh my nuts are very much intact... bring it, mayya

[MK]

Oh that's it Rappmund.
I'm going to whip you like the silly schoolgirl that you are!
I don't even have to whip out something as intricate as a "Malthus turn" to do it either!
Yea it's on now.

[Gook1000]

aiee cheap shot...

don't worry... i'll be back! (w/ world bank to boot)

[MRdbtr]

hahahaha and with that we have seen a coup people (forget durango kid)... cocowgurl has crossed the path of mayya's dominion, and her authority hath spoken. honestly tho, that pink/magenta/violet/whatever the **** you wanna call it hurts my eyes. which is why i'm now will be posting in the same color heh... while we're at it, i'm also officially declaring the color as violet as well lol.

-rapp, hue master

And I am officially declaring your nuts canned, Rappmund. Don't start this war with me, woman.

As for cocowgurl: This Kretz character has issued you fair warning, you don't want to get on my bad side. But Kretz: battle of the fem extempers? It's on. My weapon of choice: hmm, I've thought long and hard about this one, and I think it'll have to be the State Championship plaque; I'll shield myself with the Berkeley plate. That's right Shanene, the gloves are off.

HAHA :lol: . It's Phil v. Mayya (v. Danielle on the side). The referee will be Dolemite the Disco King (infamous 70's blacksploitation star for those of you not in the know). It'll be good times.

Adam

[Gook1000]

nah, already lost. but i'll come up with something... i won't even need the almighty world bank... i'm sure i can just exploit the "thick accent" or find another weakness. as long as i stay clear of lakewood staircases, i am unstoppable

your "referee" reminds me of Derek and the Dominos; also from the 70s.. but eric clapton is all over Dolemite, foo. woot

and kinda funny: went back and discovered that "toped" of phil rappmund bashing fame completely edited his post out after i responded. i was kinda hoping for some return hate, but whaddya gonna do

[jackSparrow]

Mayya's a ****ing pansy. I'll toss your **** around if I want, when I want. It's called Gradebook. Wonderful thing. Anyway, Mayya is ****ing crazy - type of girl that could rip the "necessities" off of some guy.

[MK]

Oh that's it Puskoor, you wanna fight?
Hahahaha, hahahahaha gradebook, eh? Couple of things you should know
1) I've cut more from CATO/Brookings alone than some people [ahem..Chaitkin..cough] have cut from all of their sources all year.
2) I haven't missed a date
3) I've gone to like 12 more tournaments than you even require
4) I put on the show at performance night when no one else wanted to, not because it was "an honor you were giving exclusively to me."
Just try and whip out that gradebook, playa; we'll see who deserves the A.
I'm definitely not crazy enough to actually detach someone's "necessities," but I love to make hollow monomaniacal claims as much as.....everyone [?]
Your post doesn't make sense. First I'm a pansy and then I'm crazy enough to do violence? Make up your mind, capn.
Oh and..while I have the floor:
In the spirit of Jack Sparrow, I think you need some rugged artful pirate tattoos. May I suggest: 2nd place 4life!
You=owned

[jackSparrow]

1) Very true, you probably deserve the A, but doesn't mean I have to give it to you.
2) Good Point. It really doesn't make sense, we'll go with you're a ****ing pansy.
3) 2nd Place for Senior year in debate... I think. But I'm down with that, For the most part the people who beat me are deserving, save a few tourneys( which whatever, its funny).
So, no me =not owned.
umm, YOU SUCK...??

[MK]

1) Very true, you probably deserve the A, but doesn't mean I have to give it to you.
2) Good Point. It really doesn't make sense, we'll go with you're a ****ing pansy.
3) 2nd Place for Senior year in debate... I think. But I'm down with that, For the most part the people who beat me are deserving, save a few tourneys( which whatever, its funny).
So, no me =not owned.
umm, YOU SUCK...??

Well ****, that one sent me whimpering off like a beaten sherpa.
1) I don't suppose you do, so I'll just kindly appeal to Marti hahaha.
2) Dude, when at least 80% of people at any given gym on any given day bench press with your weight as a standard you shouldn't be loose with the "pansy" comments.
3) That's right Abhay: always the bridesmaid. Which tournaments are those, may I ask?
You = totally owned
Oh that hurts me deep, real deep.

[Gook1000]

abhay, i don't even know you, but here's a big 'go **** yoself'

i walk fine, thank you


ok, i know i don't. where's that pic bout the hating myself/wanting to die?

[cocowgurl]

Myya,
I don't want to fight, first of all, I'm just not motivated and secondly, Adam does not deserve to see a cat fight. So, I'm so sorry if I offended you, but, I'll post in whatever color I want.

[Gook1000]

Adam does not deserve to see a cat fight.

ya, but i deserve to see a slaughter, so how bout working up some motivation.

and your blue font highly offends me

[MK]

Myya,
I don't want to fight, first of all, I'm just not motivated and secondly, Adam does not deserve to see a cat fight. So, I'm so sorry if I offended you, but, I'll post in whatever color I want.

Alright girlfriend, you obviously missed the point on that last one.
I don't really give a rat's *** about what color you, or anyone else posts in. I just don't read anything in gradients that I don't take to.
The whole point of that rant was me, all in jest, asserting some larger than life sense of dominance. You were just the closest target.
By the way, I will promptly smite you if you don't start writing "Mayya" when you address me. Scratch that....amend to "Your Majesty"
--Mayya

[Gook1000]

the brawls in this thread end all too quickly... if only we could get some quality trollin. this board could use its own "tapdatass4life" ... i have tried and failed; i'm just not vicious enough

[cocowgurl]

Mayya,

After seeing you at State, I have no trouble with you asserting your dominance. See you at Nats.

[MK]

Mayya,

After seeing you at State, I have no trouble with you asserting your dominance. See you at Nats.

That was just sticky sweet. I love submission.
Kidding! State was a weird "out of element" experience for me...I did not speak well in finals if that's what you're talking about.
What on earth do you look like? I know I met Hilary Billings, but I don't think you and I spoke. Oh, and post in the porn thread! [Read it and you'll understand].

[cocowgurl]

I actually just e-mailed you and I was shocked at finals. I heard a lot about you and expected more, no offense.

I'm a tall brunette, I didn't talk to you, so you probably didn't see me, but hey we can have lunch in Salt Lake City or something.

[MK]

Funny......I didn't get any email.
Just so you know my comp = dumbass.
Do you have AIM/MSNM? Try that way. My handle is adelade55 on AIM and Mayya on MSN.

I don't know if that was sarcasm, but yea. Finals was easily the worst speech I gave at that tournament, and possibly one of the worst this season. I won that round because my analysis was probably far ahead, that happens in CO because it's not taught/stressed/developed here. Timing was sketchy, fluency was off, delivery was not consistent with what I've pulled off the rest of the season. Your comment brings up an interesting point, however:
In CO an overwhelming majority of extempers suffer from superficial, underdeveloped analysis even at their best. Hence delivery is apparently the sole determinant of performing well or no/success, which means that there's a big difference between "on" and "off" speeches. You may not be conscious of it, but that's how you rank speakers. I know that I, as well as a few others, suffer loss of fluency/timing accuracy on "off" speeches, so "on" speeches only appear cleaner than off ones due to the otherwise consistent content level. I think people are too quick to overlook the quality and depth of analysis when they make spectrum judgements; I know because I've done it. Think about it like this: you watched the round, and who else had a thesis about mimicking the protectorate clauses of the fourth amendment to apply in a subject service setting like education? Probably no one, and other competitor's arguments fell along the lines of: "We need to help Colorado's Economy" and such. After seeing a lot of extemp I would qualify that, not fluency, as the mark of "unimpressiveness," so much so that it makes the speakers with even the best fluency appear hoky at best. No excuses for screwing that one up; I don't do NX and it shows, haha. You should have come to Berkeley. Have we competed? Have I seen you speak?

[MRdbtr]

In CO an overwhelming majority of extempers suffer from superficial, underdeveloped analysis even at their best. Hence delivery is apparently the sole determinant of performing well or no/success, which means that there's a big difference between "on" and "off" speeches. You may not be conscious of it, but that's how you rank speakers. I know that I, as well as a few others, suffer loss of fluency/timing accuracy on "off" speeches, so "on" speeches only appear cleaner than off ones due to the otherwise consistent content level. I think people are too quick to overlook the quality and depth of analysis when they make spectrum judgements; I know because I've done it. Think about it like this: you watched the round, and who else had a thesis about mimicking the protectorate clauses of the fourth amendment to apply in a subject service setting like education? Probably no one, and other competitor's arguments fell along the lines of: "We need to help Colorado's Economy" and such. After seeing a lot of extemp I would qualify that, not fluency, as the mark of "unimpressiveness," so much so that it makes the speakers with even the best fluency appear hoky at best. No excuses for screwing that one up; I don't do NX and it shows, haha. You should have come to Berkeley. Have we competed? Have I seen you speak?

I would definitely have to agree. Far too many speeches I've seen (and coming from Southern Colorado it has been too many) don't center on any type of analysis. At all. Fluency is important, I argue it is one of the more important aspects of SPEECH, but without analysis it's just a bunch of verbal fog (I would know, this is how i BSed through prelims most of the year). Colorado Extemp and the extemp you'll see at national finals are quite different. Watching someone like Logan Scisco or Kevin Troy go so in depth into a point is quite interesting, though it often makes my own head hurt.

Adam

[MK]

Even those two can whip out shady analysis at times. The question on that level is the complexity of the delivery. advanced motifs cover dumbassery far better than simple anecdotes. Simply put: You can be a great speaker, and only an elite few will know that you're a dumbass. If you're intelligent and a decent speaker, you'll be denied credit by the masses.

[Gook1000]

analysis is completely overrated. my speeches:

1- intro + bad joke. usually a racist one
2- cover the question. usually i say i'll get to 3 points, but do only 2
3- shift from question to my rambling, usually ends in an anti-liberal rant. rarely relates to question
4- if time, conclusion, consisting of more bad jokes. never ties back into the intro

seems to work most of the time. now if only the 'elite few' could watch a quality rapp speech and tell me if i'm a dumbass. wait, i already know the answer to that question

[cocowgurl]

God, your speech format sounds like something a novi uses at their first novi tournament.

[Gook1000]

you're **** right... it's a novice structure because that's what i am. yup the biggest and baddest CO novice motha****a to hit the circuit. wait, i don't even do extemp... but meh it don't matter... not only do i use the speech format above but i also go beyond notecards. yup, that's right-- i walk into my rounds with a speech written down on a big ****in legal pad. mead mpx if i gotz the time yo

:roll:


(btw, what in the **** is a 'novi')

[PureAdrenalineX]

Sometime I'm just gonna go into a round with a laptop and just use a Power Point presentation instead of an actual speech...and still have to use notecards

[MK]

From now on I'm going to freestyle all of my speeches.
I'll conscript an entourage to follow me around with buckets and turntables.
I have a solo LP coming out in June, listen for it.

[PureAdrenalineX]

I'm sure if you visited Atlanta you could get Lil Jon to be on it...
"Yeah! Get Crunk!"

[MK]

What the **** do you think I was doing during the Atlanta trip?
Oh wait, let me tell you:
I was too busy running the 2 miles per round across the world's ugliest campus and being chased by disgruntled bums rapping about unemployment and STDs. Not only that, they were mocking me because as I walked and prepped I looked like the crazy schizophrenic.

[MRdbtr]

What the **** do you think I was doing during the Atlanta trip?
Oh wait, let me tell you:
I was too busy running the 2 miles per round across the world's ugliest campus and being chased by disgruntled bums rapping about unemployment and STDs. Not only that, they were mocking me because as I walked and prepped I looked like the crazy schizophrenic.

One guy followed Barclay Clark and me for two miles to the music building trying to sell us ponchos. On the day it DIDN'T rain. And yes, they thought we prepping kids were crazy as well.

Adam

[PureAdrenalineX]

I want to be like those Barbara Jordan debaters and use the word "homies" in rounds...

[MK]

Barbara Jordan debate is the most abominable event in the history of forensics.
Worst objectivization of minorities I have ever seen.
Tell me how way fab this concept is:
First, let's create a separate debate event for minority inner city students instead of giving them the resources to compete on the mainstream, because they're obviously not capable of that
Second, let's restrict it to eliminate all possibility of intellectual enrichment.
And finally, let's rig it to present the most stereotypical examples of inner city students [these kids are literally figthing not to cuss out each others mamas in national finals] to entrench the notion that forensics, at its core, is an elite activity into which....ahem.....certain individuals cannot truly enter.
What the ****?
The lesson is this: Inner city students need to be taught how to beat the white devil at his own game. They must go to his debate camps, learn his critical arguments and use them against him! Give the pox back, I say!
In all seriousness it's about resources. Thus ends my rant. Thank you

[MK]

Second most abominable: PFD
Need I say more?
Have you seen the guy it was named for? The man who showed up on the awards stage intoxicated, proceeded to tell the world that he invented the NPT after dropping debate in college to sleep around, and fell off of his chair?
Oh man, National Ted Turner champ....that's a title I'd treasure

[Gook1000]

hahaaha ****ing white devil. now everyone can know the true reason why i put so much time into cx debate... it's all about the azn fury. ****in gook1000, *******s... i'm comin for yo cracka asses. if we're gonna educate the inner city fools tho, forget teachin those critical arguments. i suggest politix, and for advanced peeps-- the world bank. bow down.

oh and public forum sucks. i remember watchin the final round at nats last year. good lord that was more of a waste of time than studyin that parli pro shizzy sunday night. ****

[MRdbtr]

Second most abominable: PFD
Need I say more?
Have you seen the guy it was named for? The man who showed up on the awards stage intoxicated, proceeded to tell the world that he invented the NPT after dropping debate in college to sleep around, and fell off of his chair?
Oh man, National Ted Turner champ....that's a title I'd treasure

We all had a running joke last year that anyone who spoke bad about Ted Turner would be taken away at night by his minions...then everyone would wake up when they returned home with "Property of Ted Turner" etched on their arms with a 7-digit number to represent your place within his scheme to take over the world.

That *******.

I had to watch him speak twice. Two years ago, in Charlotte, he actually said that "If we keep having everyone the world over reduce their nuclear weapons stockpile by half, within 10 years no one will have anymore nukes."

What the ****?

Adam

[MK]

Somebody learn that man some asymptotic progression.
Whoa, are Barbara Jordan debaters allowed to be taught those things? Or does NFL disqualify them when they learn how to read and do arithmetic?

[MRdbtr]

Oh, they aren't simply disqualified, they get kicked out of the ENTIRE national forensic league. I mean, we can't have inner-city kids actually UNDERSTANDING how to debate, can we. Pretty soon, they'll be winning nationals in PFD, much to the chagrin of those of us who couldn't hang in CX or even Poetry for that matter.

:lol:

[MK]

I think I'm going to start up a new event. It's called "FU Debate." In it competitors will freestyle diss on each other and their respective families during 30 minute rounds. There will be no cx, but competitors may interrupt during speeches to make exclamations that do not exceed two words; words can have no more than four letters each.
Topicality, Disads, Counterplans, Critiques.......that's one thing. But I'd love to watch a debate round in which appropriate flow transitions include "moving on to Yo Mama"

[Gook1000]

I think I'm going to start up a new event. It's called "FU Debate." In it competitors will freestyle diss on each other and their respective families during 30 minute rounds. There will be no cx, but competitors may interrupt during speeches to make exclamations that do not exceed two words; words can have no more than four letters each.
Topicality, Disads, Counterplans, Critiques.......that's one thing. But I'd love to watch a debate round in which appropriate flow transitions include "moving on to Yo Mama"

already have that event. it's called parliamentary debate

[MK]

I'm not even going to go there.
Good lord Phil, do you really need that much attention to be soliciting hate by being an ******* from a forensics site?

[Gook1000]

I'm not even going to go there.
Good lord Phil, do you really need that much attention to be soliciting hate by being an ******* from a forensics site?

i suppose rapp = attention whore 8)